Thread: MoveOn vs. Democrats

MoveOn vs. Democrats
Punishing Congressmen for reporting what they see in Iraq.

Wednesday, September 5, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT


In the Hell Hath No Fury sweepstakes, groups like MoveOn.org are gearing up to take on a new set of perceived traitors in their midst--Democrats who have acknowledged some success from the troop surge in Iraq.

Chief among the targets is Washington Congressman Brian Baird, whose indiscretion was recognizing progress on the ground, despite having initially opposed the surge and having opposed the war in the first place. After a recent trip to Iraq, Mr. Baird said: "One of the things that gets very little attention is that virtually every other country I visited says it would be a mistake to pull out now."

We hope he took his flak jacket home from Baghdad. MoveOn is rolling out an ad this week in Mr. Baird's Washington district, in which a former soldier tells of being shot at in 2003 by the Iraqis he had fought to liberate and calls America's continued presence in the country "wrong, immoral and irresponsible." What does this have to do with the wisdom--or lack thereof--of the current strategy? Nada, which tells you something about MoveOn's honesty.

The group doesn't aim to engage in debate, but to punish and silence Democrats who dare to think for themselves. There's a pattern here: When John Dingell contradicted party orthodoxy on global warming and auto mileage standards this year, MoveOn ran ads in his Michigan district calling the 81-year-old Congressman "Dingellsaurus."

Mr. Baird is hardly alone in his assessment of progress in Iraq, even among Democrats. In the past month, Senate Democrats Carl Levin, Hillary Clinton, Dick Durbin, Bob Casey and Jack Reed have all acknowledged progress on the ground--though many still downplay the overall chances of success.


Representatives Keith Ellison (Minnesota) and Jerry McNerney (California) recently returned "impressed" by what they'd seen, though they were careful to temper their statements for any perceived optimism. After watching U.S. soldiers greet Iraqis in Arabic with "peace be upon you," Mr. Ellison reported that "they would respond back with smiles and waves" before quickly adding, "I don't want to overplay it." It's a measure of how far the antiwar left has moved the debate on Iraq that Mr. Ellison doesn't want to sound too enthusiastic about the chances that the U.S. might actually win.

Mr. Baird is so far showing no signs of backing down from his comments. In response to the MoveOn attacks, he said: "I believe I must speak and act based on what I believe is in the best interest of our nation regardless of political advertisements or partisan interests. Based on personal visits to the region, I believe the dynamics on the ground in Iraq are changing for the better and, while there are still multiple and serious challenges, and while the course is uncertain and dangerous, the changes I have seen warrant continued support of current actions through next spring."

Nice to see some political backbone in Washington. Meanwhile, MoveOn and its billionaire donors are out to solidify their ideological control of the Democratic Party, even if that means denying what is actually happening inside Iraq.

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please man, could you post your comments about the article afterwards?
EDIT: nvm, you usually do that in the post afterwards.

Baird is an honest politician. This is the type of politician the moveon.orgs of the world love to hate. Moveon.org represents the fringe lunatic faction of the Democrat party. Recent events have provided additional fuel to convince these morons that they are “mainstream” and that America is with them.

It's delusional, but it was what we come to expect from fringe lunatics who willingly swallow the swill dished to them by the Leftist and terrorist propaganda and believe that everything this Government does is a lie.....that is, until their candidates are in office. Then suddenly Government does a 360 degree turnaround and becomes honest, transparent, ethical and fiscally responsible.

Got Kool-aid?

:whistling:

Originally Posted by The_Bear

please man, could you post your comments about the article afterwards?
EDIT: nvm, you usually do that in the post afterwards.

Geeze Bear, give me a minute. LOL

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Baird is an honest politician. This is the type of politician the moveon.orgs of the world love to hate. Moveon.org represents the fringe lunatic faction of the Democrat party. Recent events have provided additional fuel to convince these morons that they are “mainstream” and that America is with them.

It's delusional, but it was what we come to expect from fringe lunatics who willingly swallow the swill dished to them by the Leftist and terrorist propaganda and believe that everything this Government does is a lie.....that is, until their candidates are in office. Then suddenly Government does a 360 degree turnaround and becomes honest, transparent, ethical and fiscally responsible.

Got Kool-aid?

:whistling:

i've been thinking that moveon.org is analogous to the church, just a different party.
What does kool-aid have to do wit anythin?

While you're at it, I'd love to see if I could get your thoughts on my thread entitled 'Alexis De Tocqueville gives me a question about Iraq' or something.

What makes Baird an 'honest' politician?

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Geeze Bear, give me a minute. LOL

LOL never~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!

I sent a nasty, mean, vile email to moveon.org and told them exactly what I thought about them. Of course they never replied. Fucking losers.

Originally Posted by Ronster

I sent a nasty, mean, vile email to moveon.org and told them exactly what I thought about them. Of course they never replied. Fucking losers.

I doubt I'd reply either.

I've never really checked out too much about MoveOn.org. I'll have to see what that is all about for myself.

Originally Posted by The_Bear

While you're at it, I'd love to see if I could get your thoughts on my thread entitled 'Alexis De Tocqueville gives me a question about Iraq' or something.

What makes Baird an 'honest' politician?

Send me a link and I will check it out Bear.

I say that because even though Baird was against going into Iraq and also did not vote for it, he went there and came back with an opinion opposite what one would think and one that did not support his views.

It's the same reason I think Lieberman is an honest Democrat. They don't try to pretend they are something they are not, and both seem to be conservative in their views.

I could be wrong; it is just my opinion about Baird and this particular situation.