Thread: Republican Congressman Threatens Couple.

Originally Posted by Migi e!

I don't know, but if he is threatening people, I'd say he isn't a true evangelical.

With all due respect to personal beliefs, I've seen too many cases of "evangelism" being a handy foil for "control" and "power" to be very charitable toward the practice.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

You're thinking of Presbyterians (aka Calvanists). They're all about predestination, but the other denominations mostly aren't. Easy mistake.

So what is the bible then if it isn't bunch of predictions and predestined events? I think all christianity is saddled with the conflict of predestiny and freewill. Just like it is saddled will a multitude of contridictions.
(A)
"Thou shalt not kill"

"An eye for an eye"
(B)
"You shall deny me three times..."

If Jesus knew the apositles would deny him and even told them they would, it was preordained...predestined. They didn't have freewill.

Originally Posted by mykcob4

Not really. Christians believe in predestiny yet they say that god gave them free will. You can't have predestiny and freewill.

Unless it's multiple choice, like "Let's Make a Deal" and you only get to choose from what you are offered.

Originally Posted by mykcob4

So what is the bible then if it isn't bunch of predictions and predestined events? I think all christianity is saddled with the conflict of predestiny and freewill. Just like it is saddled will a multitude of contridictions.
(A)
"Thou shalt not kill"

"An eye for an eye"
(B)
"You shall deny me three times..."

If Jesus knew the apositles would deny him and even told them they would, it was preordained...predestined. They didn't have freewill.

Hey, you're barking up the wrong tree with me. All these paradoxes leave me baffled, too.

But I don't even get that far. What's up with "original sin"? We're born into sin? I think not. I believe we're born perfect, then corrupted.

My point was "predestination" is a doctrinal point that the various denominations like to argue about. A Baptist (I think) would have problems with the notion of predestination.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

Hey, you're barking up the wrong tree with me. All these paradoxes leave me baffled, too.

But I don't even get that far. What's up with "original sin"? We're born into sin? I think not. I believe we're born perfect, then corrupted.

My point was "predestination" is a doctrinal point that the various denominations like to argue about. A Baptist (I think) would have problems with the notion of predestination.

They have a problem with EVERYTHING.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

With all due respect to personal beliefs, I've seen too many cases of "evangelism" being a handy foil for "control" and "power" to be very charitable toward the practice.

& you have seen all evanglicals act in such a manner?

Originally Posted by mykcob4

So what is the bible then if it isn't bunch of predictions and predestined events? I think all christianity is saddled with the conflict of predestiny and freewill. Just like it is saddled will a multitude of contridictions.
(A)
"Thou shalt not kill"

"An eye for an eye"
(B)
"You shall deny me three times..."

If Jesus knew the apositles would deny him and even told them they would, it was preordained...predestined. They didn't have freewill.

"Thou shall not murder" was the original commandment. Murder is a legal term, kill is not the same.
"An eye for an eye" was before JC, He took all that.
"You shall deny me three times" is not correct, "you WILL deny me three times before the cock crows" is the correst text.
What does pre ordained have to do with free will? God/Jesus does not make/force people to do anything.

Originally Posted by mykcob4

They have a problem with EVERYTHING.

Who is it here that has a problem with evanglicals?

Originally Posted by Migi e!

& you have seen all evanglicals act in such a manner?

Pat Robertson, evangelical preacher - partnered with genocidal maniac Charles Taylor, whos on trial in the Hague - used 700 club donations to ship mining equipment to his gold and diamond mines in Liberia.

Ted Haggart - meth using, male prostitute using, evangelical preacher.

James Dobson - Focus on the Family - colluded with Jack Abramoff, in gambling scandal. Media Matters - Focus on the Family's Minnery contradicted himself regarding group's involvement with Abramoff associate Reed in casino scheme

How many more do you need?

Originally Posted by Migi e!

Who is it here that has a problem with evanglicals?

I have a problem with evangelicals and their hypocrisy and holier than thou bullshit.