Thread: Naive on Foreign Policy

First Democratic nominee Barack Obama sent shockwaves across the Atlantic and upset sentiments in the sensitive war-on-terror coalition by implying he would not hesitate in using military force inside Pakistan, even without Islamabad’s consent. The remark betrayed a glaring unfamiliarity with US-Pakistan politics and rightly drew rival candidate Hilary Clinton’s “naïve” remark with regard to her foreign policy leanings.
Now, Republican forerunner Rudy Guiliani has indicated an apparent U-turn on longstanding US policy by opposing a possible Palestinian state, citing principled disagreement with the “creation of another state that will support terrorism”. The former New York mayor is by no means naïve, so the policy direction owes no doubt to political considerations in light of America’s strong diplomatic/military ties with Israel, not to mention the gigantic Jewish vote bank.

It would appear that electing either Barack Obama or Rudy Guiliani would do nothing to help us win the hearts and minds of the Arab world. I'd be interested who the Arabs would like to see running the US though. Probably Ron Paul.

For more than two centuries, America’s democracy has been a self-correcting truth, with people quickly rejecting forces leading them away from their original ideals of freedom and liberty. But if the same process drives ballot and voter diktat to push confrontational ideas to the top that capture the vote bank but in turn draw international resentment, then the self serving mechanism would have mutated into a self-defeating one.

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Giuliani abuses the tragedy of 9/11. That's his entire platform.

Obama's entire platform (though not stated) is "I'm black, elect me".

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Giuliani abuses the tragedy of 9/11. That's his entire platform.

Obama's entire platform (though not stated) is "I'm black, elect me".

Nonononono...."I'm not completely black but I feal your pain, elect me"

Didn't Bush say practically the same thing as Obama about a year ago?

Isn't this really just a case of selective outrage on the part of those who see Obama as a legitimate candidate? I mean, seriously - if Hillary is being critical of him, doesn't that mean he has something to say?

Originally Posted by TennesseeRain

Didn't Bush say practically the same thing as Obama about a year ago?

Isn't this really just a case of selective outrage on the part of those who see Obama as a legitimate candidate? I mean, seriously - if Hillary is being critical of him, doesn't that mean he has something to say?

Sure!

And if I had enough money and people in my back pocket, I'd be a legitimate candidate too. Only if I'd condescend to being a politician, of course.

Originally Posted by dzustaparadox

Sure!

And if I had enough money and people in my back pocket, I'd be a legitimate candidate too. Only if I'd condescend to being a politician, of course.

Not all candidates are legitimate - Obama has a real shot at this thing...
And are we still speaking?

Originally Posted by TennesseeRain

Not all candidates are legitimate - Obama has a real shot at this thing...
And are we still speaking?

Legitimate? No politician's legitimate.

Speaking? Sure, why? You think I judge people by whom they'll vote for?

Originally Posted by dzustaparadox

Legitimate? No politicisan's legitimate.

Speaking? Sure, why? You think I judge people by whom they'll vote for?

HAS A LEGITIMATE CHANCE AT THE WHITEHOUSE. Sheesh. You can be so dickifult a times.

And I wasn't saying that I'm not speaking to you because of your politics, doink :therethere: <---- yeah, it's like that.

Originally Posted by TennesseeRain

HAS A LEGITIMATE CHANCE AT THE WHITEHOUSE. Sheesh. You can be so dickifult a times.

And I wasn't saying that I'm not speaking to you because of your politics, doink :therethere: <---- yeah, it's like that.

Politiks? I'm equally hatefull of all politicians, so I don't have politiks. Politiks is what destroys honest people. Then comes the $$$$

Originally Posted by dzustaparadox

Politiks? I'm equally hatefull of all politicians, so I don't have politiks. Politiks is what destroys honest people. Then comes the $$$$

I'd almost agree with you but, a truly honest person could not be corrupted. He just wouldn't get very far. Just once I'd like to see a truly honest person, DEM or GOP who is charismatic and takes his positions on the issues directly to the people and tells special interest to fuck off right on TV No one has ever had the balls to do that. I'd vote for em'