Thread: Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan

Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan



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I understand Stossel was fired after this report. I guess there is a price to be paid, freedom isn't isn't free you know.

[quote name='michaelr' date='05 November 2009 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1257435630' post='52611']

Stossel Destroys/Pulverizes/Crushes Obama's anti-American 'Health Care' Plan



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I understand Stossel was fired after this report. I guess there is a price to be paid, freedom isn't isn't free you know.

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No, he never destroyed a thing. He was just pushing the agenda of the Americans for Prosperity group that he is a shill for - he is just a teabagger with a microphone.

[quote name='Vortex' date='05 November 2009 - 07:57 AM' timestamp='1257436653' post='52628']

No, he never destroyed a thing. He was just pushing the agenda of the Americans for Prosperity group that he is a shill for - he is just a teabagger with a microphone.

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Yet his video documents his claims, may it is not him that shills for an agenda!

The best John Stossel interview ever...



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[quote name='boontito' date='05 November 2009 - 10:52 AM' timestamp='1257439959' post='52669']

The best John Stossel interview ever...



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Yeah when you can't beat them in the arena of ideas, hope they get assaulted and even thrown in prisons.



You do know he won a lawsuit over the incident?

[quote name='michaelr' date='05 November 2009 - 10:02 AM' timestamp='1257436927' post='52633']

Yet his video documents his claims, may it is not him that shills for an agenda!

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Bullshit.



That video documents nothing, it if full of misleading information and bias. The first problem with the video is that the Obama administration and Congress are not advocating a Canadian or British styled health care program. (I wish they were.)



It focuses on Britain's lack of dentists, yet doesn't address the rest of the health care provided that is available. Dentistry is not a part of the health care reform proposals. I wish it were as affordable and available dentistry is needed in this nation. Plenty of US folks do their own dental work or go without, just like in the UK. So there is Stossel's first misdirection and failure in that piece.



He gives a platform to a conservative author pushing his book, "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care". A man, who as a political consultant, is best known for using false and misleading cancer statistics. A psychiatrist that is proud to be a conservative and is a fan of medical savings accounts (which provide another source of income for the banks you hate so much) and who pushed for the privatization of social security.

David George Gratzer (born September 5, 1974 in Winnipeg, Manitoba) is a Canadian psychiatrist, conservative columnist, author, and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. He is a critic of the Canadian health care system, and of U.S. President Barack Obama's health care reform proposals. Gratzer was a key health care policy advisor to Rudy Giuliani's 2008 presidential campaign and the source of false and misleading cancer statistics repeated for months by Giuliani.



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In October 2006, Roger Kimball's Encounter Books published Gratzer's book, The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care, about problems with the United States health care system and his proposed solutions:



1. Health insurance portability: end the tax exemption of employer-provided health insurance and remove government regulations mandating what conditions and whom and at what rates private health insurance companies must provide coverage;



2. Medicare financing: privatize Medicare using individual private accounts in the same way it has been proposed to privatize Social Security using individual private accounts, replace the current Medicare program with competing private health insurance plans modeled on the current Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and free of state health insurance regulations, and raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70;



3. Medical innovation: end the FDA's 1962 Kefauver Harris Amendment mandate requiring pre-marketing demonstration of efficacy by medical device manufacturers and by pharmaceutical companies prior to new drug approval, and return to only requiring pre-marketing demonstration of safety.



For the uninsured and those on Medicaid, Gratzer proposed turning over all current federal funding for their care to state governments in the form of block grants to experiment with voucher systems allowing recipients to purchase private health insurance and health savings accounts (HSAs), tightening Medicaid eligibility for long-term care and encouraging the purchase of private long term care insurance.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gratzer

And let's look at the video of Shirley Healy. It looks like Stossel had an easy time with that interview, doesn't it? Well, he really had a difficult time interviewing her and that was some pre-recorded footage. You see, she died in 2008, the treatment she received in the USA didn't save her.

Shirley Healy



Wow, Shirley Healy is Exhibit One in every right wing blog, "news" website and think tank out there. She is the winger's proof that Canada's health care system is dead wrong. Just google the name and it is everywhere!



Problem with that argument? Obama and the progressive Democrats are not proposing a Canadian style health care system.



And there is more to it than her health care story. She was part of a politically motivated lawsuit, backed by right-wingers in Canada, attacking the basis of the Canadian system. Unfortunately, she died from causes related to her original condition (i.e., the American operation extended, but did not save, her life) in May, 2008.



Stossel presented her pre-recorded clip as though it were yesterday with no mention of her long ago death since the video was made.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8...th-care-reform

Oh, and you can go check out the Snopes article debunking the nonsense if you like (Stossel should have used snopes.) http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp



Oh, and the lady from Pacific Research Institute is also biased, a conservative with an agenda. I think Margaret Thatcher's quote about the PRI gives you an idea as to how they operate and what their agenda is since they so proudly display it on their webpage. This Institute has done so much to further the idea of a law-governed liberty. — Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher



As I said, Stossel did not debunk a thing but he will be well suited for the bias of Fox, he presents one side and presents it as gospel. Hardly journalism, hardly informative as much as it it infomercial.

[quote name='michaelr' date='05 November 2009 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1257436927' post='52633']

Yet his video documents his claims, may it is not him that shills for an agenda!

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Oh, he most definitely shills for an agenda.

[quote name='michaelr' date='05 November 2009 - 10:02 AM' timestamp='1257436927' post='52633']

Yet his video documents his claims, may it is not him that shills for an agenda!

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This should help you better understand the context of Stossel's video.

But first, "One More Thing" about health reform and its politics. Last week, we reported that FOX News contributor and soon-to-be FOX Business Channel host John Stossel will be headlining protest rallies against health reform staged by Americans for Prosperity, the lobbying group which refuses to disclose donors while rabble-rousing about the dangers of government-forced health care.



FOX's John Stossel is Americans for Prosperity's featured speaker at three different anti-health reform rallies in Arkansas on Thursday. Today, Bryan Stelter at the "New York Times" also reports that in between talking about the dangers of government-forced health reform at these forums, Mr. Stossel will also be the featured guest on a conference call for anti-health reform organizers, during which AFP says, he will, quote, "tell us more about his new role at FOX News."



And after his speeches at the anti-health reform rallies that are being paid for by a donor that Americans for Prosperity will not disclose, and after updating anti-reform activists and all the new goings-on at FOX, Mr. Stossel will then help FOX cover the news about health reform? No, of course, not. But he will help them in organizing political events and protests against health reform.



It's not illegal. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not what's called news in this country.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33532395...l_maddow_show/