Thread: Bush To Release More Questionable Info Derived Through Torture

So Bush is declassifying comments from Al Libby saying that there were active Bin Laden plans to set up base in Iraq. Booga Booga!

What they will not be reporting along with this information is how the very same Al Libby was tortured and his other torture driven info has been proven wrong long ago. He claimed that Saddam was giving Al Qaeda training in chem and bio weapons. A key claim linking Saddam to Osama which was nothing but a fabrication under torture.

So, I ask you, what confidence can we put in this new information? I mean we already know that he was tortured into lies that Bushco used to justify their war. And now we are supposed to believe even more info from a guy with that known history?

http://www.politicalhotwire.com/8674...ntel-iraq.html

These guys really are getting desperate to justify this epic disaster of a foreign policy blunder and the media is doing a piss poor job reporting on the background of this story.

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White House: Bin Laden wanted Iraq as a new base - CNN.com


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Tuesday declassified intelligence showing in 2005 Osama bin Laden planned to use Iraq as a base from which to launch attacks in the United States, according to White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

Johndroe said the intelligence was declassified so the president could discuss the previously secret material on Wednesday during a commencement address at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticut.

The speech will be aimed at defending a key part of the president's war strategy -- the contention that the United States cannot withdraw from Iraq because al Qaeda would fill the vacuum in the Middle East.

"This shows why we believe al Qaeda wants to use Iraq as a safe haven," said Johndroe. He added the president will talk about al Qaeda's "strong interest in using Iraq as a safe haven to plot and plan attacks on the United States and other countries."

The decision also coincides with an ongoing push by the Democratic majority in Congress to force an end to U.S. involvement in Iraq. (Full story)
Bin Laden and a top lieutenant -- Abu Faraj al-Libbi -- planned to form a terror cell in Iraq in order to launch those attacks, Johndroe said.

Al-Libbi was a "senior al Qaeda manager" who in 2005 suggested to bin Laden that bin Laden send Egyptian-born Hamza Rabia to Iraq to help plan attacks on American soil, Johndroe said.

Johndroe noted that bin Laden later suggested to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, that America should be his top priority. That was followed in the spring of 2005 with bin Laden's ordering Rabia to brief al-Zarqawi on plans to attack the United States, Johndroe said.
Johndroe added the intelligence indicates al-Libbi later suggested Rabia should be sent to Iraq to carry out those operations.

But al-Libbi was captured in Pakistan and taken into CIA custody in May 2005. After al-Libbi's capture, the CIA's former acting director, John McLaughlin, described him as bin Laden's chief operating officer, the No. 3 man in al Qaeda.

"Catching terrorists is sometimes like trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle without seeing the picture on the box," McLaughlin said at the time. "This is a guy who knows the picture on the box. He knows what the big picture is."

Al-Libbi is a Libyan who joined al Qaeda in the 1990s and fled to Pakistan after the United States invaded Afghanistan in late 2001. U.S. officials say al-Libbi was in contact with and directing alleged al Qaeda members in the United Kingdom who were planning attacks there and in the United States. He was also believed to be behind two 2005 attempts to assassinate Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf.

Rabia took over al-Libbi's position in the organization but was killed in in the North Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan near the Afghan border in December 2005.

Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. airstrike north of Baghdad in June 2006.

I'm not sure I understand this. Who cares if Bin Laden wanted to use Iraq, if he wasn't using it when we invaded. We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden; we went into Iraq to kill Saddam.

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

I'm not sure I understand this. Who cares if Bin Laden wanted to use Iraq, if he wasn't using it when we invaded. We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden; we went into Iraq to kill Saddam.

It is part of the whole, "fight them there or they will follow us here" meme. We can't leave becuse Al Qaeda will start to operate in Iraq.

Oh wait, they already are. Ever since GWB made it possible anyway.

I agree. Pure bullshit. Just more fearmongering to promote Bush's political goals.

And of course weak and highly suspect info in the first place.

Be very afraid!

hey the NSA called, they want their logo back.

Originally Posted by sectionOne

hey the NSA called, they want their logo back.

Thanks for the message. :waving:

If they happen to call back, tell them to, "Go Cheney themselves!" will ya?

Originally Posted by Distressed American

So, I ask you, what confidence can we put in this new information? I mean we already know that he was tortured into lies that Bushco used to justify their war. And now we are supposed to believe even more info from a guy with that known history?

....he asks with his mind and eyes tightly closed lest the REALITY slap him in his denial.

Your response to this news and the fact that you believe anything our enemies would claim, and support the notion of retreat and defeat does not surprise me.

Of course you would choose to deny. If you didn't, you and your leftist Democrat allies would find your entire political premise a lie and failure. Of course you cannot agree or admit the REALITY and facts behind Al Qaeda's strategies and alliances.

By all means, "Kerry" on your campaign of ignorance and denial. 9-11 didnt really happen. :wink wink:

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

....he asks with his mind and eyes tightly closed lest the REALITY slap him in his denial.

Your response to this news and the fact that you believe anything our enemies would claim, and support the notion of retreat and defeat does not surprise me.

Of course you would choose to deny. If you didn't, you and your leftist Democrat allies would find your entire political premise a lie and failure. Of course you cannot agree or admit the REALITY and facts behind Al Qaeda's strategies and alliances.

By all means, "Kerry" on your campaign of ignorance and denial. 9-11 didnt really happen. :wink wink:

Is it your claim that the information released to date from Al Libby's interrogation has been accurate?

That his track record and the methods used to get past information have shown themselves reliable previously?

Originally Posted by Distressed American

It is part of the whole, "fight them there or they will follow us here" meme. We can't leave becuse Al Qaeda will start to operate in Iraq.

Oh wait, they already are. Ever since GWB made it possible anyway.

I agree. Pure bullshit. Just more fearmongering to promote Bush's political goals.

And of course weak and highly suspect info in the first place.

Be very afraid!

Afraid? Unlike democrats I don't wet my pants everytime Bush does or says something. I'm not scared of the Bush administration. They are on their way out. We'll be in Iraq until 2008, after Bush is out of the White House. I'm fine with that reality. Whoever gets elected will bring home the troops. I'm also fine with that. If the Iraqis don't pull their heads out of their butts by then, then screw em'. Let's just get out of the Middle East all together and let the bastards slaughter each other, instead of killing us. If we really do come home, I mean, bring all our troops and our money, if we refuse to do business with business in the Middle East, they won't follow us home. They'll kill each other. And that really should have been our strategy all along. Better that the terrorists kill each other than kill Americans.

But, seriously - we are staying in Iraq until 2008. Just pray that the Iraqis start actually trying to be civilized by then, or we really will have chaos in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe

But, seriously - we are staying in Iraq until 2008. Just pray that the Iraqis start actually trying to be civilized by then, or we really will have chaos in the Middle East.

they will never be "civilized" because that is a western term.
the reformation of Caliphate is the dangerous part.

Originally Posted by Distressed American

Is it your claim that the information released to date from Al Libby's interrogation has been accurate?

That his track record and the methods used to get past information have shown themselves reliable previously?

Is it your claim that is was derived from torture and inaccurate?

My comments center on the Leftist notion that all information released by this administration is suspect and therefore discounted and anything spewed by loony Leftist web sites have credibility.

Is the information accurate? I am not sure. But I am very sure we did not use inhuman torture on these people to obtain it. But then, neither of us have many facts to support our cases. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to our Government over the terrorists.