Thread: Libertarian position on Iraq and the draft ?

Originally Posted by johnlocke

You don't know that less people will die if we stay. Only time will make that determination possible, and, guess what- we will have to include all the dead people you say don't matter now.

So how is it, again that history doesn't matter? I mean, wouldn't it matter if we're not just practicing an intellectually dishonest exercise in self justification and approval for doing the things we WANT to do?

It doesn't matter in this case, because it's pointless.

"We didn't need to go in." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!
"There wouldn't be so many people dead if we hadn't gone in." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!
"We didn't make Iraq a better place." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!

NONE OF THESE STATEMENTS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION AT HAND, WHICH IS, "SHOULD WE LEAVE?".

It's like they're TRYING to piss me off.

Originally Posted by johnlocke

You don't know that less people will die if we stay. Only time will make that determination possible, and, guess what- we will have to include all the dead people you say don't matter now.

Oh, history's a pretty good guide to that. The concept of "boat people" mean anything to you? How about half a million dead in the US's own civil war?

Originally Posted by johnlocke

So how is it, again that history doesn't matter?

History does matter. But those dead people from before? They'll still be dead when your recommended policy of shitting pants and running away is implemented. But they'll be forgotten because of the new bloodbath your policy is guaranteed to create.

You disagree? You think the people blowing themselves up to deliver chlorine gas to the neighborhood school in Baghdad are suddenly going to become all hugs and kisses when you people force the US to leave? Please grow up.

What matters about history is learning the lessons. Why do you want a new bloodbath? The historical ones don't have your fingerprints on them?

Originally Posted by lakeman

Sorry to break it to you but there will never be world peace with or without the UN.

You dont know that. Besides with nukes around we better learn to behave or we might just blow ourselves to kingdom come. Now your sort of pessimism might be fine for bible bashers who are keen to hasten the second coming or whatever but for the rest of us we rather avoid armageddon you know, just in case the bible is a made up story .......

Originally Posted by Feslin

It doesn't matter in this case, because it's pointless.

"We didn't need to go in." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!
"There wouldn't be so many people dead if we hadn't gone in." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!
"We didn't make Iraq a better place." I KNOW THAT! STFU! PLEASE!

NONE OF THESE STATEMENTS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION AT HAND, WHICH IS, "SHOULD WE LEAVE?".

It's like they're TRYING to piss me off.

Ah, I see the problem. You are confusing speculation with history.

History does matter on the issue of whether we should stay or go.