Thread: National Integralism

Originally Posted by nonsqtr

Well, if you idiots would bring yourselves to accept the need for a little regulation, you might get some play with ideas like that.

Without the regulation though - NO, you suck, and you walk. Sorry. Better luck next time.

Ah, the supporter for fascism speaks out in favor of the supporter of re-packaged socialism.

History never stops trying to play old songs.

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

Ah, the supporter for fascism speaks out in favor of the supporter of re-packaged socialism.

History never stops trying to play old songs.

You're correct, but its also unfortunate that you can't stop saying the contrived bullshit.

Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum

Socialism with a new label.

It is, in fact, the root of socialist ideas.

Kant's epistemology, the one that turns the mind into mush, lead Kant to regard "collective subjectivism" as the standard of objectivity.

Hegel, following suit, declared that the "nation" has a mind or spirit of it's own ("zeitgeist"). These ideas lead to the greatest evils ever perpetrated on man, from Marxism to Nazism (Marx, incidentally, was a member of the "Circle of Young Hegelians").

Trace the history of political philosophy in Europe and at the very beginning of the chain you'll see Kant, and the results are very clear.

The future I see as most likely for Europe is a failed European Union and growing nationalistic sentiment, with growing domestic isolationism alongside growing international antagonism. The one who started this thread is one of many.

Liberal influence, derived from a strong dependence on the United States, is waning.

Originally Posted by NewDawn

I don't know if nationalism is out of style in the US from where we are America appears to be very nationalist-patriotic country. I suppose Americans may see it differently from the inside. But from how I see it there is not another western world nation that waves flags as much as you guys do. Just because a system or organisation is not named national this or that it does not mean it isn't.

Different kinds of nationalism.

Most Americans are proud of their country. However, our "national" identity is rooted in liberalism. We were founded on liberalism. Liberalism encourages strong foreign trade and liberty for everyone in the world, cultural traditions and the will of the majority be damned.

A quote from Mises' "Socialism" regarding the nation as an "organism":

"Comparison with the biological organism should have taught sociology one thing: that the organism can only be conceived as a system of organs. This, however, merely means that the essence of the organism is the division of labour. Only division of labour makes the parts become members; it is in the collaboration of the members that we recognize the unity of the system, the organism..."
"... In the natural plant each cell lives its own life for itself while functioning reciprocally with the others."