Thread: The Troops. Scum.

Coalition forces and private contractors

• the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
• white phosphorus use in Iraq
• the Haditha killings of 24 civilians in Haditha, including women and children (under investigation)
• the murder of 11 civilians in Ishaqi, including five children (under investigation)
• the kidnapping and murder of an Iraqi man named Hashim Ibrahim Awad (under investigation)
• the gang-rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl and the murder of her family, in Mahmudiyah (Jailed for life)
• the bombing and shooting of 42 civilians in Mukaradeeb(under investigation)
• controversy over whether disproportionate force was used, during the assaults by Coalition and (mostly Shia and Kurdish) Iraqi government forces on the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Fallujah in 2004. Fatalities (both combatant and civilian) were estimated in the hundreds, and much of the city destroyed.
• Falsely framing dead or captured Iraqis as enemy combatants or insurgents;

“Several interviewees said that, on occasion, these killings were justified by framing innocents as terrorists, typically following incidents when American troops fired on crowds of unarmed Iraqis. The troops would detain those who survived, accusing them of being insurgents, and plant AK-47s next to the bodies of those they had killed to make it seem as if the civilian dead were combatants. "It would always be an AK because they have so many of these weapons lying around," said Specialist Aoun. Cavalry scout Joe Hatcher, 26, of San Diego, said 9-millimeter handguns and even shovels--to make it look like the noncombatant was digging a hole to plant an IED--were used as well. "Every good cop carries a throwaway," said Hatcher, who served with the Fourth Cavalry Regiment, First Squadron, in Ad Dawar, halfway between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. "If you kill someone and they're unarmed, you just drop one on 'em." Those who survived such shootings then found themselves imprisoned as accused insurgents"
In March 2002, it is said that top officials at the CIA authorized controversial, harsh interrogation techniques.[39] The Bush administration declared that al-Qaeda members captured on the battlefield were not subject to the Geneva Conventions as it was not a conventional war, as set by the convention.[40] Amnesty International stated on April 26, 2007, that a new deal to let Canadian officials visit enemy detainees in Afghanistan is aimed more at saving political face than keeping prisoners safe.[41]

The possible interrogation techniques included shaking and slapping, shackling prisoners in a standing position, keeping the prisoner in a cold cell and dousing them with water, and water boarding.[39] Water boarding involved pouring water over a detainee's face until he believed he would suffocate or drown. The U.S. operated a secret prison in Kabul where these techniques are claimed to have been employed.[42] Over 100 prominent U.S. law professors stated unequivocally that waterboarding is torture.[43] Senator John McCain called waterboarding a mock execution and a "very exquisite torture."[44] The CIA stated they do not consider water boarding torture.

There are over 330 documented cases in which U.S. personnel have, allegedly, abused or killed detainees in Afghanistan, Iraq, and at Guantánamo Bay. In the Bagram torture and prisoner abuse case, two prisoners were chained to the ceiling and beaten to death. [45]As of November 15, 2005, 15 U.S. soldiers were prosecuted with small fines.[46]
Abdul Wali died on June 21, 2003, at a base near Asadabad. He was allegedly beaten by former Army Ranger and CIA contractor David Passaro, who was arrested on June 17, 2004, on four counts of assault an murder. [33]
On September 24, 2006, Craig Pyes of the LA Times published results of a co-investigation with non-profit organization Crimes of War Project, proposing that 10 members of ODA 2021 of the 1/20th Special Forces Group (Airborne) of the Alabama National Guard during the last month of their tour in early 2003 at a base in Gardez had tortured a peasant and shot to death Jamal Naseer, an 18 year-old recruit of the Afghan National Army. This activity was led by Warrant Officer Ken Waller and Staff Sergeant Phillip Abdow. They allegedly coordinated possible testimonies in case of investigation

Thanks to america we also have this.

• The use of torture by Iraqi security forces.
• Shiite-run death squads run out of the Interior Ministry that are accused of committing numerous massacres of Sunni Arabsand the police collusion with militias in Iraq have compounded the problems.
• Afghan warlords and political strongmen supported by some nations are responsible for numerous human rights violations including kidnapping, rape, robbery, and extortion.[38] Political organizers and journalists are often threatened with death and harassed by the Afghan army and police.

Do you and your "brother" just hate everything American?

Don't go after the troops, go after the leaders, the rule makers, and the politicians. The troops are just trying to stay alive and keep each other alive.

In a war zone some guys just snap. It happens in every war.

Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

Do you and your "brother" just hate everything American?

Don't go after the troops, go after the leaders, the rule makers, and the politicians. The troops are just trying to stay alive and keep each other alive.

By torturing people? By killing innocent people and then covering it up? I think not. I don't have everything about America. I love American shows, the people (for the most part), education system (college level system), freedom of speech, the bill of rights, and the constitution.

Originally Posted by Common Sense Craig

Do you and your "brother" just hate everything American?

Don't go after the troops, go after the leaders, the rule makers, and the politicians. The troops are just trying to stay alive and keep each other alive.

Thank you CSC.

The troops are not scum.

Originally Posted by Zaragrunudgeyon

In a war zone some guys just snap. It happens in every war.

Yet they are not punished? Instead they are sent home with dishonorable discharge. Wow. If I raped and killed a family I would get the death penalty. But not in the marines. Nope you get off or sent to jail.

Originally Posted by Vortex

Thank you CSC.

The troops are not scum.

What do you call people that rape, torture, pillage and murder innocent people? The army national gaurd? The marines?

Originally Posted by OverRated

Yet they are not punished? Instead they are sent home with dishonorable discharge. Wow. If I raped and killed a family I would get the death penalty. But not in the marines. Nope you get off or sent to jail.

Sent to jail is punishment. Sorry but the few soldiers that have done something bad have been prosecuted.

Originally Posted by OverRated

By torturing people? By killing innocent people and then covering it up? I think not. I don't have everything about America. I love American shows, the people (for the most part), education system (college level system), freedom of speech, the bill of rights, and the constitution.

Not every soldier is responsible for the crimes of a few or the crimes of the leaders that have put them in harms way. It is wrong for you do condemn all for the crimes of a few.