Thread: Communism debunked;

Firstly, we have to define bad.
Secondly, we have to show why.
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Something is bad is it is not good - that is, if it does not give us the desired results, or it does not give us the ability to promote a certain ideal of living. Quite simply - things are considered good, or if they help us live better, or longer, or happier, etc. Things are considered bad if they don't do this, and make us live shorter, or better, or longer, or happier.
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Now why is the ideal communism A) impossible, B) even if achieved, not a good thing.

Firstly, you need to examine how trade started. At its most basic core, people traded because one person had something that another person was willing to pay for. Eventually, we as a human people evolved a system of money, so that we could value our different goods at a fairly stable price, without the need to determine if a particular goat is worth 6 diamonds, etc.
MOney, as in my anti-globalization post, is intrinsically worthless.
HOWEVER, be that as it may, it is still the system that we have developed to deal with the problem of trade; that is, if you are going to conduct trade in a stable manner, you need some consistency over a big area.
But inevitably this became a problem because people had goods of different quality, or because people had different specifications of what qualified as 'good' (your sheep over there is really only worth 6 pounds of salt, not 7!)
Therefore, inequallity is built into the system of trade. Some people benefit more from trade, because they have a superior product, while other people don't benefit as much.
But because people benefit from having a superior product, there is an incentive to work to get that superior product! Although this is not necessarily a good thing, this does make it so that people are always racing to get the superior product; however, this gives a 'direction', a 'structure' to the people. It allows the people to determine what constitutes a 'good' level of goodness in their product - they maximize there own goodness.
A communism, where there is no government, and everyone is essentially equal not only is impossible without removing a system of trade (which no communism will ever do), but also takes away the peoples fundamental right to engage in commerce, one that we have been exercising since the dawn of civilization. If you say that the society, the same society that controls the money, also should control the commerce, look what you are saying! I work to pay for the society...and the society pays for me. There is something very un-human about this. It relegates the people to mere slaves to the system; it takes away the creative powers of the individual. It takes away the intrinsic rights of the individual.

Communism sux!

Yes it does. But I would think a quick trip to East Germany would prove that. is this still a debate in the world? Even China is 80 percent capitalist now, thought it was never Communist to begin with.

actually this thread was designed to counter the previous threads that said communism is good, and that socialism is better.

I like magic governments. They are way better than TeH KomMunIsm!

One major flaw with the piece; this flaw doesn't make Communism good. You are right. It does suck. However, there are no such things as intrinsic rights. Rights don't "intrinsically" exist anywhere.

I have to disagree with you:

for something to be good, it promote good things.
To people, things are good if it helps them live in a good way, or do something good.
To these people, a society is good if it helps promote 'good' things.
Because we have trade in a society, we need society to help promote trade in a good manner.
Trade is an intrinsic part of civil society.

Therefore, because trade is intrinsically part of civil society, trade is inherently part of someone in physical society.
Therefore, a person desires to trade.
If a person desires to trade, unfairly taking away their ability to trade is not good.

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Rights, such a freedom of speech, are not intrinsic.
Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, is.

Communism in theory and in an ideal world , is good and does work, however in reality the basic flaws of human beings as a species, such as greed and corruption make it unworkable.

hey allyourbase, I DONT BELONG TO YOU.
I AM NOT ON MY WAY TO DESTRUCTION

If you belonged to me I would give you away, everyone is on there way to destruction even you !.
It still works in theory, it's human nature that fuck's it up as always xoxoxo

We could go round and round in this argument about Capitalism versus Communism. As they have been practised, both suck big time. The only really successful societies, as such, are those that incorporate a balance of free enterprise and social programmes.

Originally Posted by Leo

We could go round and round in this argument about Capitalism versus Communism. As they have been practised, both suck big time. The only really successful societies, as such, are those that incorporate a balance of free enterprise and social programmes.

Would you please give me examples of successful societies?

Belgium?

Jurgen and his Mum are now demanding that the government subsidize the sex sessions, but the Fund for the Social Integration of the Handicapped only finances masturbation equipment, including vibrators and pumps, for the handicapped in Belgium, but not prostitutes.