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    Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Why Responsible Republicans Are Almost Extinct - Jacob Weisberg - Newsweek.com

    Do you remember the Responsible Republicans? In the 1980s small herds of them still roamed around Washington. In 1982 they stampeded over Ronald Reagan's veto of a tax increase designed to mitigate the fiscal harm of his 1981 tax cut. In 1986 they passed bipartisan immigration reform. In 1990 they were spotted with President George H.W. Bush at Andrews Air Force Base, conspiring to reduce the deficit.

    After the Andrews summit, however, Double-R glimpses outside captivity became increasingly rare. With their habitats in the Northeast, Midwest, and pacific Coast under threat, their status moved from "threatened" to "endangered." During the battle over his health-care plan, President Obama was unable to find a single one to serve as a mascot. There continue to be rumors of their return around issues such as immigration and climate change. Yet we have now gone several years without a confirmed sighting.




    If Responsible Republicans are in fact approaching extinction, I think we can identify the crucial event that signaled their demise. It was a December 1993 memo by conservative strategist and commentator William Kristol. Kristol's advice about how Republicans should respond to Bill Clinton's 1993 health-care effort pushed the GOP away from any cooperation with the other side. His message marks the pivotal moment when Republicans shifted from fundamentally responsible partners in governing the country to uncompromising, hyperpartisan antagonists on all issues.

    In his five-page memo, Kristol took aim at Bob Dole and other congressional Republicans who were then working to find a compromise around the shared goals of universal coverage and cost containment. Kristol called for the GOP to "adopt an aggressive and uncompromising counterstrategy designed to delegitimize the proposal." He argued that a bipartisan deal on health care would be a political victory for Democrats and a defeat for the GOP. "Unqualified political defeat of the Clinton health care proposal," Kristol wrote, " … would be a monumental setback for the president, and an incontestable piece of evidence that Democratic welfare-state liberalism remains firmly in retreat."

    Slowly at first, then all at once, Republicans adopted this zero-sum view of politics. Newt Gingrich, the truculent House minority leader, had risen to power attacking the more conciliatory Republican leadership that preceded him. Dole soon stopped cooperating as well, responding to Clinton's 1994 State of the Union address by echoing Kristol's line that there was "no health-care crisis." Remaining Double-Rs were left out in the cold by their party, and hopes for a deal died.

    Kristol's Carthaginian strategy worked politically, or seemed to. Gingrich and his "Contract With America" Republicans swept into power in the 1994 midterm elections on a platform of monolithic opposition to Clinton's agenda. But the Gingrich revolution soon failed. Its ideas were not enacted, its leaders fell to scandals, and Clinton won reelection in 1996. Congressional Republicans kept their opposition to government at the level of rhetoric, becoming bigger spenders than ever. Yet this did not dim the GOP's faith in the Kristol approach. Under Obama, Republicans have simply replayed the script, opposing everything the president proposes, looking for heretics to burn, and calling the other side extreme—though this time they have been without success in blocking the president's major initiative.

    The politics of Republican implacability are based on what might seem an obvious insight that competition is a zero-sum game. But while elections are zero-sum, politics as a whole is not. Without some level of bipartisan cooperation, voters become increasingly cynical, the system becomes too paralyzed to function, and the whole country suffers as a consequence. Longer term, it is hard to see the politics of "no" as a winning Republican strategy.

    The rise of hyperpartisanship is not one of those problems for which left and right are equally to blame. Democrats—who like legislating better than Republicans do, and who have seldom had the GOP's ability to march in lockstep—still instinctively prefer to work on a bipartisan basis. They continue to hope, against the odds, that Double-Rs will escape extinction and return as potential partners. Perhaps Ted Turner will find a way to breed them on his ranch.
    I think this is an interesting piece. I, personally, am inclined to say that the left has become fairly intractable as well, but that applies more to the populace and less to the legislators. I certainly can see how the "no compromise" mantra has led to our current divide.
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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

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    Why Responsible Republicans Are Almost Extinct - Jacob Weisberg - Newsweek.com



    I think this is an interesting piece. I, personally, am inclined to say that the left has become fairly intractable as well, but that applies more to the populace and less to the legislators. I certainly can see how the "no compromise" mantra has led to our current divide.
    At least with respect to health care reform, the Democrats were the party of "no compromise".

    Concerning the article, the Democrats during the 80's WERE more inclined to compromise than they are now. That's why there was negotiations with these so called "Responsible Republicans". Starting in Cinton's era, the Democrats became much more belligerent and intractable. This has cause a like reaction from the Republicans.

    On the whole, this article is just a mess of spin. Totally irrelevant.

    The OP is dismissed.

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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunne View Post
    At least with respect to health care reform, the Democrats were the party of "no compromise".

    Concerning the article, the Democrats during the 80's WERE more inclined to compromise than they are now. That's why there was negotiations with these so called "Responsible Republicans". Starting in Cinton's era, the Democrats became much more belligerent and intractable. This has cause a like reaction from the Republicans.

    On the whole, this article is just a mess of spin. Totally irrelevant.

    The OP is dismissed.
    What exactly were the attidudes of the Republicans during the entire Clinton adminstration? Were they willing to work together and help sort out the nations problems? Or were they willing to be obstructionist being perfectly willing to ignore the nations problems being obsessed with regaining power and willing to use any underhanded tatics to do so?

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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    I think the piece misses some important context.
    The fact is that more and more districts are becoming safe, and more and more people are locating to areas with people more like them.

    As a result, conservatives have a lot of power. Their hardcore loyalists make up almost 30% of the population. And they vote.
    Liberals are getting stronger too... but at less than 20% of the population, they have less power over the nation.
    As the poles get stronger, centrists become more disaffected. They make up 50% of the population, but aren't as galvanized or riled up. Also they are really split between leaners... many of whom will vote as predictably as the partisans due to fear of the other side.

    By matter of necessity, the Democrats have to make their base compromise with centrists. By matter of necessity the Republicans have to get their base and count on scaring as many right-leaning centrists that the Democrats are evil as possible.
    It's a number game. Conservatives are a big minority. Liberals are a little one.
    Responsible Republicans have no base... There's no point in risking anger from the conservative base when right-leaners (who are more likely to show up and vote than left-leaners) can be depended on to vote Republican as long as fear is played up.
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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunne View Post
    At least with respect to health care reform, the Democrats were the party of "no compromise".
    I often find that "no compromise" is the result of "inflammatory rhetoric".

    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunne View Post
    Concerning the article, the Democrats during the 80's WERE more inclined to compromise than they are now. That's why there was negotiations with these so called "Responsible Republicans". Starting in Cinton's era, the Democrats became much more belligerent and intractable. This has cause a like reaction from the Republicans.
    Care to provide some context and backup, as the article did?

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    The OP is dismissed.
    Gosh, I'm having ever so difficult a time figuring out how you, in your first itteration here, couldn't manage to find someone willing to engage in civilized debate with you, JoJo. Comments like this aren't exactly conducive to productive, friendly discussion. I'm certainly forced to form a negative opinion of you, which will, unfortunately color my perception in any future posts you might offer. A shame, really. I'm sure you have some healthy points to make, but if you insist on couching them like this, I fear another "nobody will play nice with me, I hope they pay attention when I quit" thread is in the none to distant future.
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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    It goes hand-in-hand with the demonization of government in general. How many times have people commented "we WANT gridlock!" or other such nonsensical idea? There are people who would rather absolutely nothing get done - ever - than have to deal with a mixed bag of accomplishments.

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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Quote Originally Posted by Towski View Post
    I'm certainly forced to form a negative opinion of you, which will, unfortunately color my perception in any future posts you might offer. A shame, really.
    Excellent OP Towski and your response to JoJo here quite responsible and mature.:lol:

    Pot, meet kettle.

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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Hey Oldschool try to name ONE postive thing that the Republicans have done for the whole of this country over the last 25 years?

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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Hey Oldschool try to name ONE postive thing that the Republicans have done for the whole of this country over the last 25 years?
    Helping to balance the budget was positive.
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    Re: Endangered Species: Why Responsible Republicans are Nearly Extinct

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Hey Oldschool try to name ONE postive thing that the Republicans have done for the whole of this country over the last 25 years?
    Goldendog...you want me to "try" to name "one thing?"

    The Op uses the same lame strategy. "Why responsibile Republicans are nearly extinct." It gives an opinion in the title and why it's an OP piece. Your query here "try" to name, I could go on all night, you'll merely disagree....what a fruitless debate.

    But to answer your question, we haven't scorched the world over bowing to world leaders and apologizing for America.


 
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