Thread: VAGINAL PENETRATION LAW BEING PASSED IN VIRGINIA- Anti-abortion "personhood" bill adv

Originally Posted by Mordent

The logical contortions liberals twist themselves into to assuage their guilt is mind-boggling.

And that is the basic botttom line of this debate...and this barbraic act. Keep denying it is a human...to keep heads buried in the sand.

Originally Posted by Stefan Bandera

Oh so now we are arguing what came first the sperm or the egg.....

No..you are deflecting.

Originally Posted by Vortex

So your child wants a puppy - do you give it that bundle of cells that form after the female dog's eggs are fertilized? Is that the puppy you give your kid?

Conception is the reproduction system at work.

All living things reproduce. Reproduction — the process by which organisms make more organisms like themselves — is one of the things that sets living things apart from nonliving matter. But even though the reproductive system is essential to keeping a species alive, unlike other body systems, it's not essential to keeping an individual alive.

Here, you need to go read up on the human reproductive system.
Female Reproductive System

You can go look at the definition of "life" and you will see that it is "the period from birth to death". Birth is vital to the existence of a human being.

Birth means "the emergence of a new individual from the body of its parent" or "the act or process of bringing forth young from the womb".

Your birth certificate is the document which recognizes your existence. You are not an individual, a separate and distinct entity, while you are in the womb, before you are born. Birth is what makes that clump of cells a human being, a human. Is the clump of cells in the womb living? Yes, they are living but they are not a human life.

Even religiously, before the distortion of the bible that many accept, it is birth that creates the person. Jesus lept in the womb of Mary the Virgin but he was not born the Son of God until HE WAS BORN as man.

Hebrews (Jesus being a Hebrew) believed that life began when the living cells took their first breath separate from their mother.

Doctors cannot determine with precision the date of conception. How would you register it? After sex will you run down to the vital statistics bureau and seek a conception certificate?

Living cells is not life. Try as much as you want to, you cannot change what is. Life begins when we are born, not before.

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So...you see no problem with aborting a 39 week old fetus? You believe it is not human.

Originally Posted by The Man

The pre-born fetus is connected to the mother with the the umbilical cord. If the mother stops eating, the fetus would starve to death. The fetus is completely dependant on the mother. Fact. So, no, it is a part of her.

You can lie and bullshit all you want, but you do not get do reinvent nature to suit your ideology.

You just described a one week to six week old infant.

Originally Posted by Mordent

Not a challenge, but stubborn as mule, she is.
Just be ready for a lot of "you don't know what you're talking about" with zero evidence that she does.
Do not mention any device used for sweeping floors, either.

I don't care who you are...that is funny right there.

Originally Posted by wingrider

if an unborn child is not a sentient life then,, why if you injure a prgnant woman and cause her to miscarry you can be charged with a crime .. or if you kill a pregnant woman you are charged with 2 counts of murder instead of a single count.??

CHOICE...ha ha ha...

Originally Posted by Mordent

I existed as a human being before I was born, didn't you?

It is only your opinion that a human exists at conception. Why do you get to force your beliefs on others?

Originally Posted by Babba

It is only your opinion that a human exists at conception. Why do you get to force your beliefs on others?

It was only the opinion of 7 men in long robes that a fetus has fewer rights than its mother. I would say that 50 million dead fetuses might feel a bit "forced on" if someone could speak for them.

Why is it that the "force your beliefs" argument is so one sided? There is nothing inherently scientific about either side of this argument. It is based on an opinion and an assignment of values.