Thread: Leaked Heartland Institute documents pull back curtain on climate scepticism

Originally Posted by Hairball

The lies are the published material, the proof that they are lies are in the leaked e-mails.

You can't even verbalize anything, can you? You can't understand WHY it's claimed by the anti-agw nuts that it's lies, you just repeat the talkingpoint. They say it's lies,so that's good enuf for hairball.
Which reveals that you will never be taken seriously because you follow blindly people who have a deeply flawed way of reasoning things out.
They aren't scientists, they didn't even make more than "D"'s and "C's" in high school. Because they don't reason properly. They have a broken method of thinking things thru. They let others do all the thinking for them because thinking is hard work, for some more than others.
For them, when someone they WANT to find wrong says "trick" it MUST mean "cheat". Not a "clever way to find a solution"..a cheat.
For you and them hairball, NOTHING will ever convince you...not any amount of evidence, not 97% of the worlds' climate experts and scientists, not your mom & dad, no one and nothing. Because you want to disbelieve more than anything in the whole world.
Here, I'll help you. I'll do the fucking WORK for you.
The anti-agw crowd, funded by big oil and coal, have taken a phrase out of context (wow, how unusual) and interpreted it completely different from what it meant, in order to smear some group they don't understand because...well...thinking is work.
I know you won't read this, it's WORK, and it's cognitively dissonant. But others here will, so for them...

"Skeptics have also pounced on an e-mail from Jones to colleagues that reads: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

But the scientists affected by the data breach say the leaked information doesn't contain a smoking gun.

"I'm involved in 102 of the e-mails," Trenberth said. "I don't see anything embarrassing to me particularly. There are a few things that can be taken out of context, and they have been."

That includes the line about a "lack of warming," which Trenberth says was part of a longer message intended to highlight shortcomings in scientists' understanding of recent temperature fluctuations.

"We've always had some problems with the observing system," he said. "It's obviously not as good as we would like, and that's true of the temperature record, as well. What this is saying is we need better observations. What it's not saying is that global warming is not here."

"The word trick was used here colloquially as in a clever thing to do," he said. "It is ludicrous to suggest that it refers to anything untoward."

Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann -- the "Michael" in Jones' message -- agreed.

Mann said the second portion of Jones' message referred to a known problem with certain temperature records gleaned from tree rings. Up until 1960, temperature records measured by weather stations agree with records extrapolated from tree rings. But after 1960, it's a different story. Some of the trees no longer accurately register temperature variations.

That's a problem that CRU scientist Keith Briffa identified in a journal article more than 10 years ago, Mann said, arguing that scientists shouldn't use the inaccurate post-1960 data.

To suggest otherwise is a "deliberate smear," Mann said. "I really think the story is this very carefully, and almost certainly high-level, orchestrated smear campaign to distract the public about the nature of the climate change problem."

Stolen E-Mails Sharpen a Brawl Between Climate Scientists and Skeptics - NYTimes.com

Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek

Culture predicts reality. The 1996 movie, Independence Day, in which fire covered everything, was followed the next year by the movie Titanic, in which water covered everything. Global warming will be followed by global flooding. Nothing will stop it.

bring it on and lets get this party over with.

Originally Posted by Hairball

"Trick" and "cheat" and "clever way to find a solution" are not mutually exclusive terms.

It's quite clear that published scientific studies use the word "trick" routinely. The thing is, numerous science journalists pointed this out long ago in response to the short-lived e-mail outrage.

Originally Posted by Hairball

...you are a fucking liar...

Originally Posted by Hairball

If you don't want to be exposed as a liar then don't post lies in the forum.

Originally Posted by Hairball

It was a big fucking lie.

Originally Posted by Hairball

There is that "single lie" you were looking for.

Originally Posted by Hairball

They certainly were lying.

Originally Posted by Hairball

I showed you a very significant lie...

Originally Posted by Hairball

Are you going to try to argue that "Mike's Nature trick" is not a lie?

Originally Posted by Hairball

The lies are in the published material, the evidence that they are lies are in the leaked e-mails.

You need to look at the word, "trick" before you take that same tired e-mail held up repeatedly as the "best" evidence of some conspiracy.

Yes, everyone is "lying", except for you, Hairball.

Originally Posted by zitiboy

Mann said the second portion of Jones' message referred to a known problem with certain temperature records gleaned from tree rings. Up until 1960, temperature records measured by weather stations agree with records extrapolated from tree rings. But after 1960, it's a different story. Some of the trees no longer accurately register temperature variations.

That is a hilarious excuse from a fraudster.

Just ignore the tree ring data that doesn't fit into your preconceived bogus story line and put extra weight on the tree ring data that supports your bogus hockey schtick BS.

That is Mike's Nature trick.

It is called confirmation bias and it is not sound science. It is fraud. And he should be in prison for stealing taxpayer money to commit the fraud.

Originally Posted by Hairball

"Trick" and "cheat" and "clever way to find a solution" are not mutually exclusive terms.

In other words, English is not your mother-language.

Originally Posted by Hairball

That is a hilarious excuse from a fraudster.

Just ignore the tree ring data that doesn't fit into your preconceived bogus story line and put extra weight on the tree ring data that supports your bogus hockey schtick BS.

That is Mike's Nature trick.

It is called confirmation bias and it is not sound science. It is fraud. And he should be in prison for stealing taxpayer money to commit the fraud.

This doesn't make any sense. You don't even know what you're talking about.

is florida under water yet?? let me know when it is.

who is mr. gleick?

maybe a low life lying scumbag.

Megan McArdle - Authors - The Atlantic

Global Warming Alarmists Resort to Hoax | Power Line

i'm ready for the denials!!