Thread: AA America's State Religion: Cult or Cure?

Originally Posted by mtm1963

i'd refer this to @Hollywood

Why? Can't you answer for yourself?

Originally Posted by the watchman

What the fuck? Is Hollywood emailing you blokes to come here and defend AA or something?

What's your problem?

Anyway, I provided one expert in the OP, name of Doctor Peele. You prove to me that what he's saying, he's saying because he's getting paid to say it.

I don't have to prove something I didn't allege in the first place.

Here's the problem with your logic. AA dominates the substance abuse recovery industry.

Dominates? Why those capitalist pigs...

Therefore, if a program is "for profit", there's a high likelihood that they use an AA or 12-Step model of recovery. Most programs out there, that get and sustain government funding are 12-Step based. Read the OP, AA has infiltrated every aspect of our government, from the federal level, to the local level. And make no mistake about, people are getting paid because of AA. What's needed are more alternatives to AA, not more AA.

Sounds like we need more ACTUAL AA and perhaps less government reimbursement for programs that copycat it.

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Dude, you started a thread on a public forum ASKING a question. And you act surprised that people are posting? Why?

Now. I'll let you think about that statement for a while to figure out if it makes any sense. If a person starts a thread on a public forum, one of many, why would they be surprised people are posting on it. I'll leave you to your thoughts.

Originally Posted by Neomalthusian

What's your problem?

People that can't take a joke - for one.

I don't have to prove something I didn't allege in the first place.

Ok, my bad.

Dominates? Why those capitalist pigs...

Not responsive to my comment.

Sounds like we need more ACTUAL AA and perhaps less government reimbursement for programs that copycat it.

That's like a Zen Riddle huh. If there weren't what you call "copycats" we'd have less AA, actual or not, whatever that's suppose to mean.

Originally Posted by the watchman

That's like a Zen Riddle huh. If there weren't what you call "copycats" we'd have less AA, actual or not, whatever that's suppose to mean.

There's no basis for attacking a self-supported voluntary program just because the DHHS starts reimbursing someone else for mimicking it.

Seems to me your problem is really with the private and public insurers, and you (and/or Dr. Peele) are misdirecting your angry diatribes.

Originally Posted by Neomalthusian

There's no basis for attacking a self-supported voluntary program just because the DHHS starts reimbursing someone else for mimicking it.

Seems to me your problem is really with the private and public insurers, and you (and/or Dr. Peele) are misdirecting your angry diatribes.

Angry diatribe? You think Dr. Peele is angry in that video? I've never seen a person more calm. I'm not either btw.

I'm trying to understand your argument here. I need to ask you where the line between AA, and other 12-Step programs, begin and ends in relation to these folks you characterize as "mimicking" AA? I believe that AA states that an AA meeting is two or more individuals gathered together for the purpose of sobriety. Not an exact quote I know. Are you saying AA has no affiliation with these folks you term as "mimicking" AA? Can you explain what you mean by "mimicking"?

The only problem I have with insurers are with public ones, who use my tax dollars to force, or condition continued compliance in public funded programs, on participation in religious activities (AA NA and other 12-Step programs). And I obviously feel that this funding could be spent more on alternatives to AA, particularly those that focus on curing the addiction, and/or on the underlying causes of addiction.

Originally Posted by Davocrat

So what would you like to happen? That is, there's a voluntary and totally organic process that has caught on that millions of people rely upon. But you think it's a crock. What are you looking for?

It's not always voluntary. What am I looking for? In terms of what exactly?