Thread: Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi

Al Qosi will be sentenced by 12 military officers as part of the commission on Aug. 9. He will remain at Guantanamo Bay for the time being, and it is not yet known where he will serve out his sentence.
"That probably will be determined at the highest levels of government," said Navy Capt. David C. Iglesias, an official spokesman in the case and a commission prosecutor for two years.

Who does this Captain Iglesias think he is? The Supreme Court has already ruled these men are afforded civilian trial, he now thinks Al Q's fate is determined at the "highest levels of government."

Let me explain something to you David....there is an entire army of Leftists who will not allow for this. I have no problem whatsoever, I've always supported military tribunals but your Democrat Party...is gonna howl about this. You go a big surprise coming.

Bin Laden's driver pleads guilty at Guantanamo

My friends on the Left...tell him.....you can't do this, tell him how outraged you are!

I suspect the "highest levels of government" means Obama and his trusted advisors. That means that whatever decision they come up with will be politically motivated and may, or may not, be based on any laws.

The Liberals in this forum seem to be willing to give Obama a pass on nearly everything he does...or they decline to express an opinion.

I expect nothing different in this situation.

Originally Posted by JoJoGunne

The Liberals in this forum seem to be willing to give Obama a pass on nearly everything he does...or they decline to express an opinion.

Then I suggest to you that it isn't much different from the conservatives who give Obama credit for NOTHING even when he does something they wholeheartedly agreed with just a few short years ago.

Originally Posted by TennesseeRain

Then I suggest to you that it isn't much different from the conservatives who give Obama credit for NOTHING even when he does something they wholeheartedly agreed with just a few short years ago.

We give Obama all the credit in the world....for not only keeping Gitmo open for business, but for resuming the military tribunals that the Bush Admin began receiving howlings from the Left. You must certainly remember that.

Again, we can talk about giving the President Kudos from the Conservative side, cannot we point out, there were those on the Left telling we neo-cons that denying equal rights to these detainees was a violation of civil and human rights. Now, my thread here focuses on the Liberal side of the debate where once we heard a symphony of outrage, we today hear crickets chirping. And I want to know why that is, can you give me an answer?

I would also like to send out a posse in search of my friend, JD....and his argument.

JD was going to give Obama time. "At least as much time as I gave Bush" I think was the phrase to enact policy concerning detainees held and takaen by the US during these war campaigns. I would inquire as to that timeline. You argued your values were rights you couldn't compromise, you argued there was nothing other than all men are created equal.

A guilty plea at Gitmo in front of a military tribunal with sentencing and execution of that sentence handed down by the highest level in government.....isn't close to Constitutional protections, isn't close to your uncompromising values you defined for me so vividly.

The silence deafens me.

And many other voices supposedly so genuine are exposed by a lack of noise on this one as well.

And as long as we're commenting on it..there were arguments that remain today that define Gitmo as a stroke of genius. It allowed for detention, security, interrogation, tribunal, and sentences being handed out under military jurisdiction. It answers every question Obama is spending millions to ask and to prove that point, this guilty plea under military codes of justice. Conservative arguments have always considered it is the President's decision to determine these men's fates.....as we argued under Bush. Liberals screamed about civil and human rights, where are they today???!!!

Cuz, if I recall and I do....with utter clarity...many in here considered it a crime to think the highest levels of authority had such power to determine, they argued civilian trial, representation, jury, the works.

Where are those many today, where is the outrage?

Or.....as I've been proving for months...and months...on a nearly daily basis....was the outrage under the same policy Bush Admin disingenuous...being pushed for political purposes only? I'd dislike to think that as it would mean there were many trying to undercut a President while we're at war and that would be most unbecoming in fact, highly unamerican in my opinion. I would feel better if many on the Left would be consistent and be absolutely berzerk over this guilty plea and sentencing but, I don't think I'm gonna be feeling any better. I think I already know the truth. I think everyone does. And is accountable for their own words. As was predicted.

Originally Posted by TennesseeRain

Then I suggest to you that it isn't much different from the conservatives who give Obama credit for NOTHING even when he does something they wholeheartedly agreed with just a few short years ago.

Well, I'm a conservative (not a Republican) and I HAVE given Obama credit for some of his actions in regard to the War on Terror, so I suppose you are talking about some other conservatives in particular, eh?

It would be interesting for Tr to tell us all who these others are

Originally Posted by JoJoGunne

The Liberals in this forum seem to be willing to give Obama a pass on nearly everything he does...or they decline to express an opinion.

Talk about deliberately ignoring the many posts in which Obama received shit from the liberals on these exact forums. Obama has received a lot of crap from liberals for doing conservative things, while Bush received little crap from conservatives when he did liberal things (or unconstitutional things for that matter).

But this isn't about Obama at all. It's about some random Captain who is implied to be a Democrat.

Originally Posted by Charles Stover

Talk about deliberately ignoring the many posts in which Obama received shit from the liberals on these exact forums. Obama has received a lot of crap from liberals for doing conservative things, while Bush received little crap from conservatives when he did liberal things (or unconstitutional things for that matter).

But this isn't about Obama at all. It's about some random Captain who is implied to be a Democrat.

Got an example of Obama catching shit from a liberal here?

Originally Posted by Charles Stover

But this isn't about Obama at all. It's about some random Captain who is implied to be a Democrat.

No, it's not about Obama. It's not about the good Captain either. It's a query on where the outrage and calls from the Left for impeachment have gone concerning specific events that have just transpired at Gitmo.

Charles...where are you on the policy of military tribunals at Gitmo?