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Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Monday, March 20, 2006 12:18 a.m. EST
Bin Laden Sought 'Joint Operations' With Saddam
An Iraqi intelligence document released last week indicates that Osama bin Laden sought to conduct "joint operations" with Saddam Hussein's regime six years before the 9/11 attacks - and was given the green light by the Iraqi dictator.
The document, detailed in the March 27 issue of the Weekly Standard, describes a Feb. 1995 meeting between bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence that was personally approved by "the Honorable Presidency" - an apparent reference to Saddam.
"We discussed with [bin Laden] his organization. He requested the broadcast of the speeches of Sheikh Sulayman al-Uda [who has influence within Saudi Arabia and outside due to being a well known religious and influential personality] and to designate a program for them through the broadcast directed inside Iraq, and to perform joint operations against the foreign forces in the land of Hijaz [Saudi Arabia]."
The document goes on to note that "the Honorable Presidency was informed of the details of the meeting in our letter 370 on March 4, 1995."
The document indicates that Saddam personally granted bin Laden's request for help with propaganda broadcasts and instructed his agents "to develop the relationship [with bin Laden] and the cooperation between the two sides to see what other doors of cooperation and agreement open up."
The 1997 Iraqi intelligence document goes on to report: "Currently we are working to invigorate this relationship through a new channel in light of his present location [Afghanistan]."
The reference by Iraqi intelligence to "joint operations" with bin Laden apparently contradicts one of the 9/11 Commission's most important findings that Saddam had no "operational relationship" with al Qaeda.
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Banned Iraqi missile engines found in Jordan
UNITED NATIONS: Engines for long-range missiles have turned up in Jordan from unguarded sites in Iraq that were once monitored for materials that could produce banned weapons, UN inspectors said on Wednesday.

In a closed-door UN Security Council meeting, Demetrius Perricos, the acting director of the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission, warned that too many pieces of equipment were leaving Iraq, some as scrap.

“We found a few more engines and a few other items in Jordan,” Perricos said. “It is getting bad. Too many things are coming out.”

UNMOVIC, using photographs and serial numbers, previously reported discovering SA-2 engines among scrap in the Dutch port city of Rotterdam. They were used in Iraq’s Al Samoud 2 banned missile programme.

The motors found in Jordan were also SA-2 engines “and that is why we were interested”, Perricos said.

UN inspectors left Iraq shortly before the war in March 2003 and have not been allowed to return since. The US has sent its own teams to search for weapons of mass destruction. The fate of the search teams is not known under the new Iraqi interim government that takes office on June 30. Perricos briefed the Security Council on his recent report that showed satellite pictures of the engines discovered in the Netherlands and a site in Iraq stripped of its equipment, possibly by looters.

The site, called the Shumokh stores, northwest of Baghdad, had contained equipment that could be used for chemical and biological weapons and was once monitored by UNMOVIC.

Pakistan protests: Perricos suggested that UNMOVIC’s arms experts could be used in other international disarmament areas, such as a new council anti-terrorist programme that seeks to punish black marketeers who traffic in nuclear, chemical and biological weapons components. But Pakistan’s UN ambassador, Munir Akram, lashed out at Perricos, saying his commission should be shut down and had no right to propose other tasks, diplomats reported.

“We see this as an organisation which is unable to do its job,” Akram told reporters afterwards. “The job may not be there to be done, and therefore we think that the quicker we find some way to certify that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the better it is.”

Other delegations, notably Russia and Germany, disagreed, arguing that UNMOVIC’s expertise in Iraq should not be wasted.

Pakistan admitted this year that Abdul Qadeer Khan, a scientist revered as the father of the country’s nuclear bomb, had smuggled nuclear secrets to North Korea, Iran and Libya, and was under house arrest. In order to get Pakistan’s support, the council’s resolution setting up the new non-proliferation programme said any action would not be retroactive.

Romanian Ambassador Mihnea Ioan Motoc was chosen on Wednesday to head a new council committee that would monitor unconventional weapons falling into the hands of terrorists.

December 15, 2005 Edition > Section: Foreign > Printer-Friendly Version

Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says
BY IRA STOLL - Staff Reporter of the Sun
December 15, 2005
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/24480

Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started, Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom says.

The assertion comes as President Bush said yesterday that much of the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was incorrect.

The Israeli officer, Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, asserted that Saddam spirited his chemical weapons out of the country on the eve of the war. "He transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria," General Yaalon told The New York Sun over dinner in New York on Tuesday night. "No one went to Syria to find it."

From July 2002 to June 2005, when he retired, General Yaalon was chief of staff of the Israel Defense Force, the top job in the Israeli military, analogous to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the American military. He is now a military fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He made similar, but more speculative, remarks in April 2004 that attracted little notice in America; at that time he was quoted as saying of the Iraqi weapons, "Perhaps they transferred them to another country, such as Syria."

The Israeli general's remarks came on the eve of Mr. Bush's speech to the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, in which the president addressed the issue of intelligence and defended the decision to go to war. "When we made the decision to go into Iraq, many intelligence agencies around the world judged that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction. This judgment was shared by the intelligence agencies of governments who did not support my decision to remove Saddam. And it is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong," Mr. Bush said in remarks that were one of a series of speeches he has given recently on the war.

Mr. Bush's defense of the war echoed themes he has been pressing since before the war began and through his successful campaign for re-election. "Given Saddam's history and the lessons of September the 11th, my decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision. Saddam was a threat - and the American people and the world is better off because he is no longer in power."

An official at the Iraqi embassy in Washington, Entifadh Qanbar, said he believed the Israeli general's account, but that the Iraqi government is "basically operating in the dark" because it does not have its own intelligence agency. He said the issue underscored the need for the new Iraqi government to have control of its own intelligence service. "We don't have any way to find anything out about Syria because we don't have intelligence," Mr. Qanbar said. He said there is a high-rise building in Baghdad with 1,000 employees working on intelligence but that it has no budget appropriation from the Iraqi government and "doesn't report to the Iraqi government."

"Nobody knows who it belongs to, but you should understand who it belongs to," he said, in what was apparently a reference to American involvement.

An Iraqi politician, Mithal Al-Alusi, whose sons were both assassinated in Iraq last year, told The New York Sun's Eli Lake last month that his party would press the Iraqi government to renew the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Mr. Al-Alusi said he believes Saddam clearly had the weapons before the invasion. "They will find the weapons, I am sure they will," Mr. Al-Alusi said.

A spokesman at the Syrian embassy in Washington did not return a call seeking comment. But General Yaalon's comment could increase pressure on the Syrian government that is already mounting from Washington and the United Nations. Mr. Bush has been keeping the rhetorical heat on Damascus. On Monday, he said in a speech, "Iraq's neighbor to the west, Syria, is permitting terrorists to use that territory to cross into Iraq."

Also Monday, Mr. Bush issued a statement saying, "Syria must comply with United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1559, 1595, and 1636 and end its interference in Lebanon once and for all. "The resolutions call for ending Syria's occupation of Lebanon and for Syrian cooperation into the investigation of the assassination of a Lebanese politician, Rafik Hariri.

On Saturday, the White House issued a statement calling attention to Syrian prisoners of conscience such as Kamal Labwani. "The Syrian Government must cease its harassment of Syrians peacefully seeking to bring democratic reform to their country. The United States stands with the Syrian people in their desire for freedom and democracy," said the statement, issued in the name of the White House press secretary.

Yesterday, the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, described Syria as an "oppressive regime." He also pointed to a recent report by a United Nations investigator looking into the assassination of Hariri. "The Syrian Government has failed to offer its full cooperation," Mr. McCormack said, citing the U.N. investigator's report that "details allegations of document burning by the Syrians, of intimidating witnesses."

When, during an interview with the Sun in April, Vice President Cheney was asked whether he thought that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria, Mr. Cheney replied only that he had seen such reports.

An article in the Fall 2005 Middle East Quarterly reports that in an appearance on Israel's Channel 2 on December 23, 2002, Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon stated, "Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria." The allegation was denied by the Syrian government at the time as "completely untrue," and it attracted scant American press attention, coming as it did on the eve of the Christmas holiday.

Syria shares a 376-mile border with Iraq. The Syrian ruling party and Saddam Hussein had in common the ideology of Baathism, a mixture of Nazism and Marxism.

Syria is one of only eight countries that has not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention, a treaty that obligates nations not to stockpile or use chemical weapons. And it has long been the source of concern in America and Israel and Lebanon about its chemical warfare program apart from any weapons that may have been received from Iraq. The director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee in March of 2004, "Damascus has an active CW development and testing program that relies on foreign suppliers for key controlled chemicals suitable for producing CW."

Congress's Secret Saddam Tapes

BY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 7, 2006
URL: Congress's Secret Saddam Tapes - February 7, 2006 - The New York Sun
The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence is studying 12 hours of audio recordings between Saddam Hussein and his top advisers that may provide clues to the whereabouts of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
The committee has already confirmed through the intelligence community that the recordings of Saddam's voice are authentic, according to its chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, who would not go into detail about the nature of the conversations or their context. They were provided to his committee by a former federal prosecutor, John Loftus, who says he received them from a former American military intelligence analyst.
Mr. Loftus will make the recordings available to the public on February 17 at the annual meeting of the Intelligence Summit, of which he is president. On the organization's Web site, Mr. Loftus is quoted as promising that the recordings "will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important - and controversial - weapons of mass destruction questions." Contacted yesterday by The New York Sun, Mr. Loftus would only say that he delivered a CD of the recordings to a representative of the committee, and the following week the committee announced that it was reopening the investigation into weapons of mass destruction.
The audio recordings are part of new evidence the House intelligence committee is piecing together that has spurred Mr. Hoekstra to reopen the question of whether Iraq had the biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons American inspectors could not turn up. President Bush called off the hunt for those weapons last year and has conceded that America has yet to find evidence of the stockpiles.
Mr. Hoekstra has already met with a former Iraqi air force general, Georges Sada, who claims that Saddam used civilian airplanes to ferry chemical weapons to Syria in 2002. Mr. Hoekstra is now talking to Iraqis who Mr. Sada claims took part in the mission, and the congressman said the former air force general "should not just be discounted." Mr. Hoekstra also said he is in touch with other people who have come forward to the committee - Iraqis and Americans - who claim that the weapons inspectors may have overlooked other key sites and evidence. He has also asked the director of national intelligence, John Negroponte, to declassify some 35,000 boxes of Iraqi documents obtained in the war that have yet to be translated.
"I still believe there are key individuals who have not been debriefed and there are key sites that have never been investigated. I know there are 35,000 boxes of documents that have never been translated. I am frustrated," Mr. Hoekstra said.
He added, "Right now, it's not my job to investigate the specific claims. We are doing this a little with Sada. But we still don't fully understand what happened in Iraq three years after the invasion, three years after we control the country. There are enough people coming to the committee, Sada is not the only one, saying, 'you really ought to look under this rock.' This gives me cause to take up the issue again."
Mr. Hoekstra is one of many who believe the question of what happened to Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is still unresolved. Last week Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld voiced similar doubts at the National Press Club. "We have not found them. We also have found a number of things we didn't imagine. We found a bunch of jet airplanes buried in Iraq. Who buries airplanes? I mean, really. So I don't know what we'll find in the months and years ahead. It could be anything," he said.
The former chief of the State Department's Iraq Intelligence Unit, Wayne White, and Mr. Rumsfeld's former undersecretary of defense for policy, Douglas Feith, have told the Sun they believe the question of what happened to the weapons is still open. The former chief of staff of the Israel Defense Force, Moshe Ya'alon, told the Sun in December that he believed Saddam sent chemical weapons to Syria before the war in 2002. The last chief American weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, said in the preamble to his final report that looting of sites may have severely weakened his team's ability to piece together a complete picture of Iraq's weapons program.
Mr. Hoekstra said he is not yet prepared to say President Bush was premature in calling off the hunt for the weapons last year, but conceded that his inquiries may lead him to that conclusion if some of the leads offered to his committee check out. He also said the White House has been supportive of his inquiry.
The chairman of the House intelligence panel said he is frustrated with the American intelligence community's lack of curiosity on following up these leads, particularly the story from Mr. Sada. "I talked to one person relatively high up in DNI, and I asked him about this and asked are they going to follow up, and he looked at me and said, 'No we don't think so.' At this point, I guess you guys don't get it.
"I am trying to find out if our postwar intelligence was as bad as our pre-war intelligence, " Mr. Hoekstra said.
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Tuesday June 8, 12:35 AM

Iraqi missile parts found in Holland
By Evelyn Leopold
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iraqi missile motors and other weapons-related equipment have been smuggled to Europe for recycling in scrapyards after they were left unguarded following the U.S. invasion last year, U.N. inspectors have said in a report.
Several sites in Iraq that once contained equipment that could have been used for biological or chemical weapons, have been emptied and dismantled since May 2003, according to the report to the U.N. Security Council released on Monday.
It made clear that the U.S.-led occupation force had not protected sites or items that inspectors tagged before the war because of their potential use in weapons of mass destruction.
"A number of sites which contained dual-use equipment that was previously monitored by U.N. inspectors has been systematically taken apart," said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the New York-based inspectors. "The question this raises is what happened to equipment known to have been there.
"Where is it now? It's a concern," Buchanan asked.
The U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, known as UNMOVIC, sidelined by the United States since its invasion of Iraq last year, did not say all the materials that disappeared were banned weapons.
But it showed before and after satellite pictures of a denuded missile-related site, the Shumokh stores, northwest of Baghdad and photos of a missile engine discovered in a scrapyard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam.
The report said an engine of SA-2 surface-to-air missiles also used by Iraq for its Al Samoud 2 missile program was found in Rotterdam. The engine had been tagged by UNSCOM in 1996.
In 2003, UNMOVIC declared the Al Samoud 2 banned as it had a range of more than 150 km, the limit set by the Security Council. The inspectors destroyed two thirds of Iraq's Al Samoud missiles before they were withdrawn from Iraq on the eve of the Iraq war, but some 25 of the missiles remained in mid-March 2003.
"The existence of missile engines originating in Iraq among scrap in Europe may affect the accounting of proscribed engines known to have been in Iraq's possession," UNMOVIC said.
The report said the U.N. inspectors also found papers showing illegal contracts by Iraq for a missile guidance system, laser ring gyroscopes and a variety of production and testing equipment not previously disclosed.
UNMOVIC also complained that it had no access to the reports of the U.S.-organised Iraq Survey Group (ISG) which continues to search for unconventional arms in Iraq.
It said that testimony the ISG presented to the U.S. Senate on unmanned aerial vehicles programs and long-range missiles, was not detailed enough for the commission's experts to determine whether the data had been known to UNMOVIC.
UNMOVIC said it was trying to determine to what extent the contracts had been fulfilled and items delivered to Iraq.
The International Atomic Energy Agency earlier this year warned the Security Council that large quantities of scrap, some of it contaminated, had been transferred out of Iraq from sites it previously monitored.
Mohammed ElBaradei, the agency's director, said that the disappearance of items may have a significant impact on the agency's knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear capabilities.

So I'am sorry it took me a couple days to gather all my information. But as you can see from U.S. Intelligence, Israeli Intelligence, and other alllied Intelligence....it may be a little extreme to say Bush and all of his pals completely lied about Saddam's WMD's. Be realistic here. You cannot make the argument that he never had any because he obviously did and used them numerous times and worse case scenario was thought that it would lead to much worse. So logically when nations have worry about a nation that may quite possibly be containing or developing nuclear bombs or any WMD - then you must use preemptive action to make sure that using the weapon doesn't happen. Maybe if more hostile or unstable nations knew more clearly the consequences of a substantial implication of their weapon development they would think twice. Yea we come off as bullies but some may be forgetting who the good guys are.

What a dishonest guy you are.
I just took a look at ONE of your posts (the 1st one I received on my mail box as I'm watching this thread), the one about the "UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after".
If you had read the UN report, you would have known that, contrarily to what you did post:
- the report said that in fact, all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap. What should have Saddam done with them? Eat them? That just proves he indeed obeyed the UN sanctions.
- right from this report: "

To date, UNMOVIC has found no evidence that these were used for proscribed
chemical or biological weapon purposes."
- about the missile (harmless) parts found in Holland, the report says "
However, it
is possible that some of the materials may have been removed from Iraq by looters
of sites and sold as scrap."
I don't think I need to go one, everyone can read this report and see by themselves how it's NOT what your pretended it to be.
And I'm sure your other posts are likewise, from biased sources twisting facts.

Lastly, still from the report, about the Survey Group led by the US (and not by the UN), which contredicts you clearly:
"In his testimony, the head of the Iraq Survey Group noted that the Group
continued to look for weapons of mass destruction. He also said he did not believe
that the Survey Group had sufficient information and insight at that time to make
final judgements with confidence as to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction
programmes and to determine the truth of their existence."
Of course absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it's certainly NOT proof of existence.

Originally Posted by Kyryahn

What a dishonest guy you are.
I just took a look at ONE of your posts (the 1st one I received on my mail box as I'm watching this thread), the one about the "UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after".
If you had read the UN report, you would have known that, contrarily to what you did post:
- the report said that in fact, all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap. What should have Saddam done with them? Eat them? That just proves he indeed obeyed the UN sanctions.
- right from this report: "

To date, UNMOVIC has found no evidence that these were used for proscribed
chemical or biological weapon purposes."
- about the missile (harmless) parts found in Holland, the report says "
However, it
is possible that some of the materials may have been removed from Iraq by looters
of sites and sold as scrap."
I don't think I need to go one, everyone can read this report and see by themselves how it's NOT what your pretended it to be.
And I'm sure your other posts are likewise, from biased sources twisting facts.

Lastly, still from the report, about the Survey Group led by the US (and not by the UN), which contredicts you clearly:
"In his testimony, the head of the Iraq Survey Group noted that the Group
continued to look for weapons of mass destruction. He also said he did not believe
that the Survey Group had sufficient information and insight at that time to make
final judgements with confidence as to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction
programmes and to determine the truth of their existence."
Of course absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it's certainly NOT proof of existence.

Aw I knew I would get a personal attack sooner or later. Well not only is it obvious you didn’t read any of the others sources I posted but I may be wondering you if read the whole thing or if you were so upset over the first couple of paragraphs of the first article that you didn’t bother to read the rest.

Yes it is possible that some of his weapons were dismantled like the U.N. told Saddam to do besides the fact that he did not let the U.N. have access to other stations where WMDs were most likely being developed or hidden. A concern is that from the weapons he did dismantle – “The International Atomic Energy Agency earlier this year warned the Security Council that large quantities of scrap, some of it contaminated(what does that imply??), had been transferred out of Iraq from sites it previously monitored.”

And yes the ones he most definitely dismantled was May 2003, sorry too late – we entered on March 20th, 2003. “Several sites in Iraq that once contained equipment that could have been used for biological or chemical weapons, have been emptied and dismantled since May 2003, according to the report to the U.N. Security Council released on Monday.”

The inspectors destroyed two thirds of Iraq's Al Samoud missiles before they were withdrawn from Iraq on the eve of the Iraq war, but some 25 of the missiles remained in mid-March 2003.

Did you not read this?
The report said the U.N. inspectors also found papers showing illegal contracts by Iraq for a missile guidance system, laser ring gyroscopes and a variety of production and testing equipment not previously disclosed.

Mohammed ElBaradei, the agency's director, said that the disappearance of items may have a significant impact on the agency's knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear capabilities.

If you also would like to debate the U.N. cause and effectiveness and perhaps honesty between the inspectors (whos ties may lead to interested nations) then that would be another topic I would enjoy discussing.

I would also encourage you to post the U.N. Resolutions and Inspections Reports on this site or you can just send me the files where you stated "all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap." Im sure I can find some of my own.

Originally Posted by Kyryahn

What a dishonest guy you are.
I just took a look at ONE of your posts (the 1st one I received on my mail box as I'm watching this thread), the one about the "UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after".
If you had read the UN report, you would have known that, contrarily to what you did post:
- the report said that in fact, all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap. What should have Saddam done with them? Eat them? That just proves he indeed obeyed the UN sanctions.
- right from this report: "

To date, UNMOVIC has found no evidence that these were used for proscribed
chemical or biological weapon purposes."
- about the missile (harmless) parts found in Holland, the report says "
However, it
is possible that some of the materials may have been removed from Iraq by looters
of sites and sold as scrap."
I don't think I need to go one, everyone can read this report and see by themselves how it's NOT what your pretended it to be.
And I'm sure your other posts are likewise, from biased sources twisting facts.

Lastly, still from the report, about the Survey Group led by the US (and not by the UN), which contredicts you clearly:
"In his testimony, the head of the Iraq Survey Group noted that the Group
continued to look for weapons of mass destruction. He also said he did not believe
that the Survey Group had sufficient information and insight at that time to make
final judgements with confidence as to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction
programmes and to determine the truth of their existence."
Of course absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it's certainly NOT proof of existence.

Aw I knew I would get a personal attack sooner or later. Well not only is it obvious you didn’t read any of the others sources I posted but I may be wondering you if read the whole thing or if you were so upset over the first couple of paragraphs of the first article that you didn’t bother to read the rest.

Yes it is possible that some of his weapons were dismantled like the U.N. told Saddam to do besides the fact that he did not let the U.N. have access to other stations where WMDs were most likely being developed or hidden. A concern is that from the weapons he did dismantle – “The International Atomic Energy Agency earlier this year warned the Security Council that large quantities of scrap, some of it contaminated(what does that imply??), had been transferred out of Iraq from sites it previously monitored.”

And yes the ones he most definitely dismantled was May 2003, sorry too late – we entered on March 20th, 2003. “Several sites in Iraq that once contained equipment that could have been used for biological or chemical weapons, have been emptied and dismantled since May 2003, according to the report to the U.N. Security Council released on Monday.”

The inspectors destroyed two thirds of Iraq's Al Samoud missiles before they were withdrawn from Iraq on the eve of the Iraq war, but some 25 of the missiles remained in mid-March 2003.

Did you not read this?
The report said the U.N. inspectors also found papers showing illegal contracts by Iraq for a missile guidance system, laser ring gyroscopes and a variety of production and testing equipment not previously disclosed.

Mohammed ElBaradei, the agency's director, said that the disappearance of items may have a significant impact on the agency's knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear capabilities.

If you also would like to debate the U.N. cause and effectiveness and perhaps honesty between the inspectors (whos ties may lead to interested nations) then that would be another topic I would enjoy discussing.

I would also encourage you to post the U.N. Resolutions and Inspections Reports on this site or you can just send me the files where you stated "all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap." Im sure I can find some of my own.

Originally Posted by Old School Conservative

Did you not read this?
The report said the U.N. inspectors also found papers showing illegal contracts by Iraq for a missile guidance system, laser ring gyroscopes and a variety of production and testing equipment not previously disclosed.

Mohammed ElBaradei, the agency's director, said that the disappearance of items may have a significant impact on the agency's knowledge of Iraq's remaining nuclear capabilities.

If you also would like to debate the U.N. cause and effectiveness and perhaps honesty between the inspectors (whos ties may lead to interested nations) then that would be another topic I would enjoy discussing.

I would also encourage you to post the U.N. Resolutions and Inspections Reports on this site or you can just send me the files where you stated "all facilities and missiles that were fordidden by Iraq to possess had been scrapped, and its useful parts (mainly steel) were sold as scrap." Im sure I can find some of my own.

I said "dishonest" because you post something contredicted by the links you provide. So either you didn't read your sources, or you did and are indeed dishonest. As there are 2 possibilities, you're right I shouldn't have assumed you were dishonest. My apologies.
To answer the part I quoted, just read the report you gave the link to.
Iraq Survey Group: no evidence of wmd or wmd programs.
UN: no evidence of wmd or wmd programs.
Missiles and production facilities have been scrapped, and their parts sold as rubbish. I don't need to prove all of them, because none have been found (meaning none remains).
I read about those "illegal" contracts, but as the missiles containing those illegal parts have been scrapped as well...