Thread: Is Bin Laden dead - a look at the 'new' video

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Hackerfactor
September 10, 2007

On Saturday morning I found a copy of the full Bin Laden (2007-09-07) video. By Saturday evening I had finished analyzing the video, and I completed the audio analysis this morning. My findings? I strongly believe that Bin Laden is dead.

There are some very obvious places where the video has been spliced. A little more than a minute and a half into the video is a splice. He goes from looking out to looking down in less than 1/25th of a second. The second splice. Not as big, but definitely there. There are actually six splices in the video as far as I can tell. In the audio track are even more splices. The video itself was filmed in two takes. The first section opens the video and ends at 1:56. The second section begins at 12:29 and continues until 14:01. That's right: the entire 26 minute video has less than four minutes of animated footage. The rest of the video just shows a still-frame of Bin Laden. The two sections are clearly from different recordings because the desk is closer to the camera in the second section.

The video shows Bin Laden in his white hat, white shirt, and yellow sweater. This is the same clothing he wore in the 2004-10-29 video. In 2004 he had it unzipped, but in 2007 he zipped up the bottom half. Besides the clothing, it appears to be the same background, same lighting, and same desk. Even the camera angle is almost identical.

So here's my question... If you were on the run through mountains on foot, would you be carrying around unnecessary clothing? Yet here is Bin Laden in the same clothing, same studio, same studio setup, and same desk THREE YEARS LATER. In fact, his stack of papers that he reads are moved between the exact same stacks. If you overlay the 2007 video with the 2004 video, his face has not changed in three years -- only his beard is darker and the contrast on the picture has been adjusted. What are the chances of nothing changing (except his beard) in three years? Virtually zero. The clips appear to have been recorded three years ago.

The audio does make reference to relatively current events (people and places). However, these references are ONLY made during the frozen-frame portions and only after splices in the audio track. The animated portions make no references to current events.

So how did they make the video? They took 3.5 minutes of old video and spliced in a frozen-frame with new audio. The new audio has no accompanying "live" video and consists of multiple audio recordings. The big question is: is the audio from Bin Laden? I'm not an audio expert (yet) and since I don't know Arabic, I cannot tell if there is an accent or if the accent changes. I do know that the room echo and background sounds change during different audio clips. And there are so many splices that I cannot help but wonder if someone spliced words and phrases together. I also cannot rule out a vocal imitator during the frozen-frame audio. The only way to prove that the audio is really Bin Laden is to see him talking in the video, but all references to current-events come during the frozen-frame section. So is Bin Laden still alive? I see no proof of his existance that is newer than three years ago. Bin Laden is as alive as Elvis.

Originally Posted by jojo

We report - you decide! opcorn:

Hackerfactor
September 10, 2007

On Saturday morning I found a copy of the full Bin Laden (2007-09-07) video. By Saturday evening I had finished analyzing the video, and I completed the audio analysis this morning. My findings? I strongly believe that Bin Laden is dead.

There are some very obvious places where the video has been spliced. A little more than a minute and a half into the video is a splice. He goes from looking out to looking down in less than 1/25th of a second. The second splice. Not as big, but definitely there. There are actually six splices in the video as far as I can tell. In the audio track are even more splices. The video itself was filmed in two takes. The first section opens the video and ends at 1:56. The second section begins at 12:29 and continues until 14:01. That's right: the entire 26 minute video has less than four minutes of animated footage. The rest of the video just shows a still-frame of Bin Laden. The two sections are clearly from different recordings because the desk is closer to the camera in the second section.

The video shows Bin Laden in his white hat, white shirt, and yellow sweater. This is the same clothing he wore in the 2004-10-29 video. In 2004 he had it unzipped, but in 2007 he zipped up the bottom half. Besides the clothing, it appears to be the same background, same lighting, and same desk. Even the camera angle is almost identical.

So here's my question... If you were on the run through mountains on foot, would you be carrying around unnecessary clothing? Yet here is Bin Laden in the same clothing, same studio, same studio setup, and same desk THREE YEARS LATER. In fact, his stack of papers that he reads are moved between the exact same stacks. If you overlay the 2007 video with the 2004 video, his face has not changed in three years -- only his beard is darker and the contrast on the picture has been adjusted. What are the chances of nothing changing (except his beard) in three years? Virtually zero. The clips appear to have been recorded three years ago.

The audio does make reference to relatively current events (people and places). However, these references are ONLY made during the frozen-frame portions and only after splices in the audio track. The animated portions make no references to current events.

So how did they make the video? They took 3.5 minutes of old video and spliced in a frozen-frame with new audio. The new audio has no accompanying "live" video and consists of multiple audio recordings. The big question is: is the audio from Bin Laden? I'm not an audio expert (yet) and since I don't know Arabic, I cannot tell if there is an accent or if the accent changes. I do know that the room echo and background sounds change during different audio clips. And there are so many splices that I cannot help but wonder if someone spliced words and phrases together. I also cannot rule out a vocal imitator during the frozen-frame audio. The only way to prove that the audio is really Bin Laden is to see him talking in the video, but all references to current-events come during the frozen-frame section. So is Bin Laden still alive? I see no proof of his existance that is newer than three years ago. Bin Laden is as alive as Elvis.

sure it is old video but it does not prove he is dead. It only proves that they did not make a new video. Be logical. It suggests he is dead but it does not prove it.

yes, the distance between his iris' are different.
this site tells where he was buried. and more.
Center for Strategic Analysis

If you remember they were to put out a third video, they didn't however. People aren't as dumb as the gov wants us to be. Even my republican(and I mean Bush lovers) have expressed their doubts on the validity of these latest videos. Thats fine by me, I show them the 2001 video where he is supposedly confessing to 911. Guess what, they get real mad and not at me.

I'm not 100% sure ol Binny is worm food yet, but i do know that the current couple vids are not of him....I mean shit, its not even close....

Report: Bin Laden Already DeadWednesday, December 26, 2001

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."

Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=27819

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Originally Posted by Robodoon

Report: Bin Laden Already DeadWednesday, December 26, 2001

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."

Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=27819

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Hearsay..... Nothing more. No photographs or video of his funeral. No DNA. Nothing.

Originally Posted by justoneman

Hearsay..... Nothing more. No photographs or video of his funeral. No DNA. Nothing.

But it begs to ask, why no REAL vids from him.

We have his DNA on file? If not, what use is it?

And so what if he is dead? Is that less guilty or something? If he is dead, who is making and sending the videos? Why? What purpose could it serve?

Our own government seems to have written him off altogether, so why would a new video (even if not him) matter?

Originally Posted by johnflesh

We have his DNA on file? If not, what use is it?

And so what if he is dead? Is that less guilty or something? If he is dead, who is making and sending the videos? Why? What purpose could it serve?

Our own government seems to have written him off altogether, so why would a new video (even if not him) matter?

It's the timing that I would question, OBL vid, Pueteres report, OBL video,...threat to release another...people ain't buying it...release a few transcripts.