Thread: The North American 'Soviet' Union

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

WHo says God exists?

Why do you care what someone else thinks.

Proof? No, you dont have any.

Don't need any.

So in effect your talking about an imaginary person.

No, imaginary people are what you are talking about.

so what? god represents an aidea ay the least even if he doesnt exist. That idea, IMO, is good.
At the very least god is a physical representation of what is good. Any particular form of god may not be the real one - but all generally fall into this category; god is good, and satan is bad. When on the judgement day you will be judged, if you have lived a good life, you will be in the presence of god. When you have lived a bad life, you will be in the presence of satan.
Tell me; is believing in god....bad?

Originally Posted by xoplytnyk

Why do you care what someone else thinks.
Don't need any.
No, imaginary people are what you are talking about.

1) He was talking about God as if it was obvious he existed. Provide evidence or keep it to your self.
2) Yes you do or keep it to your self. If I told you Bin Laden was gonna infiltrate the U.S. by dressing up like a woman, youd demand evidence. If I said ui dint need any you would think i am a crazy person.
3) Ummmmm.....ok......



I beleive in a God but I dont go around saying he definitley exists, as I keep in mind the fact that at any time I could possibley be proven dead wrong.

[quote=The_Bear;138128 but all generally fall into this category; god is good, and satan is bad. When on the judgement day you will be judged, if you have lived a good life, you will be in the presence of god. When you have lived a bad life, you will be in the presence of satan.
Tell me; is believing in god....bad?[/quote]




If you use it to control the masses then yes it is bad. if you beleive your God wants you to kill the children of infidels then yes it is bad.

no one is truly independent in this life, and no one truly wants to be left out.
People don't like being alone. HUmans are a social being - that's why there is so much sex, drugs, alcohol growing up (in my opinion). It is through 'partying' that people are able to connect with others on a more personal level.
In a religious society, the power may be rested with the clerics, yes. But at least, everyone is part of the society. Everyone has their role, it makes room for everyone. And by the end, people do things because they want to - even if it is their religion 'brainwashing' them to make them do that.

What you lose when you take out religion is your sense of wonder at life. (I believe in god btw) When I look at a sunset, or beautiful architecture, or a beautiful woman, I see the work of god, and know that I am in the presence of something mystical.
Living your life without something like that cheapens everything. A sunset is reduced to wavelength, to trying to 'udnerstand' whats going on. Looking at a building purely for its utilitarian use makes it merely an object, and not something more. A beautiful woman, when not done so by plastic surgery, is reduced to good genetics, or a good body, or good curves.
You argue the islam and jihad argument? Well, I counter with this - why have our leaders commanded our troops and military to kill those Islamic people, and censored any of the news of such atrocities from our media? As tommy franks said, "we don't do body counts."

Originally Posted by The_Bear

no one is truly independent in this life, and no one truly wants to be left out.
People don't like being alone. HUmans are a social being - that's why there is so much sex, drugs, alcohol growing up (in my opinion). It is through 'partying' that people are able to connect with others on a more personal level.
In a religious society, the power may be rested with the clerics, yes. But at least, everyone is part of the society. Everyone has their role, it makes room for everyone. And by the end, people do things because they want to - even if it is their religion 'brainwashing' them to make them do that.

What you lose when you take out religion is your sense of wonder at life. (I believe in god btw) When I look at a sunset, or beautiful architecture, or a beautiful woman, I see the work of god, and know that I am in the presence of something mystical.
Living your life without something like that cheapens everything. A sunset is reduced to wavelength, to trying to 'udnerstand' whats going on. Looking at a building purely for its utilitarian use makes it merely an object, and not something more. A beautiful woman, when not done so by plastic surgery, is reduced to good genetics, or a good body, or good curves.
You argue the islam and jihad argument? Well, I counter with this - why have our leaders commanded our troops and military to kill those Islamic people, and censored any of the news of such atrocities from our media? As tommy franks said, "we don't do body counts."

If they are being censored how do you know this then? We are not ordering our troops to commit atrocities we punsih them when we find out look at Abu Graib trial for an example.



I totally disagree about you losing wonder if you dont have religion. For one thing I DO beleive in a Creator, but I can still be astonished by things like YellowStone or the Grand Canyon just as easily if I was atheist.

Originally Posted by Ausinus

Oh for the love of god, do you expect us to believe this drivel?

Perhaps you don't know this, but no nation has or ever will espouse communism.

Well Marxist communism at least is supposed to be stateless.

dude


american is slow starting 2 sucome to the socailist belief


more and more less people follow government

people of care about hollywood or which star shaved their head

frankly we should remove our heads for our asses and see that most of america does not care

and that my darn generation is next. if its is not posted on myspace then one will care.

the vast majority of our nation does not vote. the vast majority doesnot care

so the stage is set for a socialist reform

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

If they are being censored how do you know this then? We are not ordering our troops to commit atrocities we punsih them when we find out look at Abu Graib trial for an example.



I totally disagree about you losing wonder if you dont have religion. For one thing I DO beleive in a Creator, but I can still be astonished by things like YellowStone or the Grand Canyon just as easily if I was atheist.

As to your first point, I know this for a few reasons:
A) People who were embedded with the troops during the invasion said they were censored.
B) The media accounts during the invasion were sketchy - Umm Qasr was taken 9 times, there were uprising that didn't actually happen.
C) A lot of what was said was negated by people who were on the ground, independent of the invasion.
D) A 'precision' bomb fell on a market during the invasion - over 60 civilians were killed. No mention of that in western media.
E) Shown no pictures, no personal stories. All the stories are formal, and there are no names, just 'a marine was killed today...'.
F) Deliberate mis-information designed to negate the stuff thats coming up, - not technically censoring, but propaganda nonetheless.
G) A lot of reports say that Baghdad was HANDED over to the USA forces - this from BBC, Russia News, and one other source I cannot remember. Not carried in our news.
H) Continuing of the sanitization of the news - no deaths, no blood, no gore; nothing to make anyone feel sympathy for those that suffer.
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As to the second point, it takes a sense of adherence to life and nature to like such things.
When you see such things, are you filled with wonderment at the creation of the earth, or are you astonished like if you watch a really good film? Are you entertained, or astounded? Are these things of beauty in life something that piques your interest, or are they something that you genuinly appreciate with all of your being? That's what I want to know; that's where I put the divide.

socialism works.


marxist communism & russian communism & nazi fascist social dont work


they require their people to stop thinking

socialism in small amounts works

dont think socialism like nazi

think social like labor laws. that is what true socialism is