Thread: Oaklahoma? Apparently, its not closed:

The attorney who was able to obtain a declaration from Terry Nichols fingering an FBI agent as directing Timothy McVeigh says that the documents attached to the affidavit indicate that the Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job. "I didn't start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing, I started out to find out who killed my brother and why," Jesse Trentadue told the Alex Jones Show.
In January 1996, Trentadue received an anonymous phone call telling him that his brother Kenneth had been murdered by the FBI in a case of mistaken identity because his brother had fit the profile of a member of a group called the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang that had been robbing banks to fund an attack on the federal government.
"Of course I dismissed it, I thought it was far fetched, unbelievable," said Trentadue, who said he ignored it until months later when he read a story in the L.A. Times about a man named Richard Lee Guthrie, also a member of the robbery gang, who was found hanging in his cell while in federal custody a day before he was due to give a confessional interview about the Oklahoma City bombing.
"Shortly before he was executed I received a message from Timothy McVeigh who told me that when he saw my brother's photograph and heard what happened to him, he knew the FBI has killed my brother because they mistook him from Richard Lee Guthrie."
Trentadue said he believes Guthrie was John Doe 2, McVeigh's accomplice in carrying out the attack on the Alfred P. Murrah building and an individual seen by multiple eyewitnesses yet omitted from the official story by the authorities. Guthrie and Kenneth Trentadue's physical description and movements were exactly the same, right down to the dragon tattoo on each's left forearm.
Jesse Trentadue stands in front of a portrait of his brother Kenneth who Trentadue claims was murdered by the FBI because he was mistaken with OKC bombing conspirator Richard Lee Guthrie.
Kenneth Trentadue's autopsy photos clearly betray a violent beating and torture as the cause of his death. The official explanation of suicide is completely inconsistent with the physical evidence.
"I didn't start out to solve the bombing, I started out to find the men who killed my brother," said Trentadue, "but every trail has taken me back to the bombing."
This is what led Trentadue to file a lawsuit in Utah ordering the FBI to release all documents relating to a failed sting operation they were running at a white supremacist paramilitary training camp in Elohim City, eastern Oklahoma, and its connection to the bombing on April 19 1995.

In being given unprecedented access to speak to McVeigh's accused co-conspirator Terry Nichols, Trentadue was able to discover that, according to Nichols, Attorney General's Ashcroft's office gagged Nichols from speaking to the media after it became apparent that McVeigh's accomplices and government ties to the bombing were in danger of leaking.
"Apparently before he had contacted me several years ago he had written to Attorney General Ashcroft, volunteering to tell everything about the bombing and the others involved," said Trentadue.
"Not only did no one from Attorney General Ashcroft's office follow up with Nichols, they actually apparently issued an order barring him from all contact with the media - it was thereafter that he reached out to me and I was able to get in to see him to spend a day and half with him."
During the process of his lawsuit, Trentadue was able to receive documents with names blacked out that show the FBI's OKC bombing informants were conducting armed robberies with Timothy McVeigh in order to fund the construction of the fertilizer bomb used in the attack on the federal building.
"One of the foreign informants was actually the explosives instructor who taught him how to make the bomb," said Trentadue, confirming that Nichols told him the criminal activities were part of a process of creating a ledger or a storyboard to which the government's version of events could later be pinned to.
The documents also show that McVeigh called Elohim City two days before the bombing asking for help. Four months before the bombing, an FBI informant told his superiors of the attack plan and said that the Alfred P. Murrah building had been scouted.
Trentadue said that Nichols is desperate to tell his story, but cannot yet go into full detail because of the court order that sealed the affidavit. He stated that he is surprised Nichols is still alive considering the amount of suspicious deaths that have occurred as a result of the cover-up. Trentadue's own insurance policy was that he immediately went public with any information he uncovered.
Trentadue said that the only way Nichols' story will ever get out is if a videotaped deposition is allowed.

"You cannot tell that whole story in a declaration," said Trentadue, adding that the more important information was contained in documents attached to the affidavit, most of which were from the FBI and Tim McVeigh's defense team.
When asked if the documents detail the fact that the Oklahoma City bombing was an inside job, Trentadue responded, "I read them that way, I read them that there's others involved."
"My feeling is that the FBI fumbled the ball so badly at Waco and Ruby Ridge that I do remember this - they were under constant pressure and criticism from Congress and from the media and from the public."
"I think they put together this harebrained idea at Elohim City to lure in all these militia groups under the pretense of teaching them how to rob banks in armored cars and attack the federal government and I think they planned to catch them in the act," said Trentadue.
"The accusations that I have made against the FBI are that they set up this operation, that they had informants who robbed banks with McVeigh to fund the attacks, that they had an informant who was the explosives instructor who taught them how to make the bomb and it got away from them - they have not once denied those accusations, they have just begged this federal judge not to order the release of the documents," the attorney concluded.

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I got this from infowars.com, so I assume that this story is naturally going to be biased, and obviously pre-emptively suggesting that it was a cover-up. Yet, does anyone have any counter-theories? What was the official story at Oaklahoma again? Are there any major holes? There seems to be a decent amount of evidence to say that ....it was a cover up.

This is from one of the most conservitive papers in the country in the most conservitive states, Utah.

So, does anyone think this story has any teeth to it?

mmm perhaps.
Generally, there is no 'mastermind' plot of super individuals, like what we saw in fight club. Usually, its the work of groups of people. If it was 'individuals', then either
A) They would be smart enough and well paid enough by the US government to work for them.
B) They would have higher profile targets than friggin Oaklahoma City federal complex buildings.

Originally Posted by Inkslinger

So, does anyone think this story has any teeth to it?

Not real sure myself, but here is an article "The Trentadue Files". I heard an interview from Trentadude, he was trying to find out why his bro got killed while in federal custudy. Every turn and twist to the story lead him back to the Ok. City bombings. The feds are trying to keep the documents under seal. The orginals do not have the names blocked out, that is a good way to authenticate them. Again for me anyway, it's a wait and see. Also here is the local news the day of the bombings. At no time they mention a truck bomb. Fog if disaster, I dunno.

Damn... I found this, with several news stations having federal "confirmation" of 2nd & 3rd bombs being involved. How come this was quickly silenced?

YouTube - oklahoma city bombing: startling evidence proves cover-up

Let's see....Alex Jones...I smell conspiracy theory number 4,153.

Originally Posted by conservative

Let's see....Alex Jones...I smell conspiracy theory number 4,153.

Figures! Do you have anything substantive to prove that it's just a theory, or are you mouthing what you've been taught by your puppetmasters?

I say that Oklahoma City was an inside job, just as 9/11 was an inside job; and time will prove that these are definitely not "conspiracy theories."

Furthermore, contrary to what you have been taught to believe, we're not "moonbats" nor do we wear "tinfoil hats." We're people who aren't afraid to use the brains which almighty God has given us, instead of being spoonfed bullcrap from the government puppetmasters.

MeMyselfnI

Originally Posted by MeMyselfnI

Figures! Do you have anything substantive to prove that it's just a theory, or are you mouthing what you've been taught by your puppetmasters?

I say that Oklahoma City was an inside job, just as 9/11 was an inside job; and time will prove that these are definitely not "conspiracy theories."

Furthermore, contrary to what you have been taught to believe, we're not "moonbats" nor do we wear "tinfoil hats." We're people who aren't afraid to use the brains which almighty God has given us, instead of being spoonfed bullcrap from the government puppetmasters.

MeMyselfnI

Do you realize how convaluted your reasoning sounds?

You accuse me of being a puppet for accepting the situation for its face value (see Occums razor), then you go on to say that you use your brain (as apposed to us puppets) and yet you admit you have no proof?

Is that really using your brain?

This bullshit conspiracy crap has been going on for 50 years ever since Kennedy was shat. Evertime there is an event that someone disagrees with they come up with a conspiracy...and no matter how preposterous there is always a line of sheep at the door waiting to lap it up. It has become an industry. Billions of dollars are spent on books and movies pushing this bilge and nothing has ever been proven...reminds me of the search for Bigfoot.

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Originally Posted by conservative

Do you realize how convaluted your reasoning sounds?

You accuse me of being a puppet for accepting the situation for its face value (see Occums razor), then you go on to say that you use your brain (as apposed to us puppets) and yet you admit you have no proof?

Is that really using your brain?

This bullshit conspiracy crap has been going on for 50 years ever since Kennedy was shat. Evertime there is an event that someone disagrees with they come up with a conspiracy...and no matter how preposterous there is always a line of sheep at the door waiting to lap it up. It has become an industry. Billions of dollars are spent on books and movies pushing this bilge and nothing has ever been proven...reminds me of the search for Bigfoot.

:blah:

I know it's pointless trying to reason with you, but let's see...Occam's Razor is a general principle, not a law of physics. Besides that, my explanation for both OKC and 9/11 is actually much simpler than the government's when you look at all the facts both sides have to account for. And where do you dream up this tripe about some huge industry cashing in on conspiracy theories? Every documentary on 9/11 that I'm aware of is available for free on the Internet with the creators' express permission.